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[Part Time Dweller]

No wonder the Democrat Party is known as the party of cut and run


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i87cZ3Og6ts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNgaV...elated&search=[/quote]

[golfhobo]

No wonder the Democrat Party is known as the party of cut and run


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i87cZ3Og6ts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNgaV...elated&search=

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I don't "do" Youtube links, so I can't comment on the contents of this thread, only the rhetoric.

JFK was a Democrat, and he stared down Kruschev and the entire Soviet Union during the Missile Crisis.

FDR tackled more miliitary forces than Al Queda is suspected of having in WWII.

NIXON abandoned Vietnam.

Bush 41 is accused by many (not me) of "quitting" Iraq without finishing the job.

The only reason the Dems are "known" as the cut and run party, is because the current Republican administration got us into a quagmire, and has no idea what to do but to "stay the course."

And, of course, because koolaid drinkers like you parrot everything this crook and incompetent TELLS them to say.

I believe it was a Democrat who coined the phrase, "A mind is a terrible thing to waste."

Apparently, you were "one child left behind."

[Part Time Dweller]

If you didn't bother to look at it and commented anyways, you just show lack of intelligence, but why change now? Just goes to show, the only thing the left can bring to the table is anti Bush rhetoric, no even if he isn't the subject at hand.

This had nothing to do with Bush, it is a compilation of clips showing your beloved Dem heroes calling for the ousting of Saddam and his WMD's , many of which were from before Bush was in office. So, if you use your "bad intelligence" comeback, it only shows there was plenty, even when Clinton was in office.

BTW Hobo, have you met Lars? You two would get along great.

[Jumbo]

Sorry, I thought this was a thread about shoes.

[golfhobo]

If you didn't bother to look at it and commented anyways, you just show lack of intelligence, but why change now? Just goes to show, the only thing the left can bring to the table is anti Bush rhetoric, no even if he isn't the subject at hand.

This had nothing to do with Bush, it is a compilation of clips showing your beloved Dem heroes calling for the ousting of Saddam and his WMD's , many of which were from before Bush was in office. So, if you use your "bad intelligence" comeback, it only shows there was plenty, even when Clinton was in office.

BTW Hobo, have you met Lars? You two would get along great.

I don't "do" youtube or any other video links, because my puter doesn't have enough memory and capability to load and play videos.

I'm not asking you to feel sorry for me, but it seems lately that this website/forum has become one of: "check out this video and join the conversation." I just can't DO that, OKAY???

Regardless, of the content of the videos, YOU made an editorial comment as to how this "indicated" or was "proof" as to why the Dems are considered the Cut and Run Party.

I clearly stated that THAT was the rhetoric I was "commenting" on. If you don't understand that, it is not MY intelligence that is in question.

BTW.... I NEVER mentioned Dubya!

[jnk2001]

Sorry, I thought this was a thread about shoes.

Me too. Summer being here and all....

But i do have to agree with golfhobo here. you can find any snipet you want on youtube that strikes your way of thinking. hell, I'll bet I could find an anti bush clip on there. Just cuz you think it's great and agrees with your way of thinking, doesn't make it true. the term "cut and run" was devised by Carl Rove to pander to the right(notice he doesn't say that much anymore). looks like he caught one....

[golfhobo]

the term "cut and run was devised by Carl Rove to pander to the right. looks like he caught one....

ONE?? His bumper sticker slogans have caught more gullible American FISH than I was catching Crappie with shammy skin and cut bait at the Potholes when I was a kid! And my cooler was overflowing!

For ANYONE to discredit the memory of Democratic American soldiers who have died in THIS and other American wars, by labeling an entire political party as COWARDS is bordering on criminal!!

At the very LEAST, it shows their arrogant contempt for anyone who doesn't think like THEM!

Of course SOME (not all) of them can't THINK for themselves anyway! They are uneducated lemmings who will follow their Party leaders regardless of facts and truth.

If BUSH said it, it MUST be true.... cuz GOD is speaking in his ear!!

And we all know Rove is really God incarnate! 8)

This administration has governed by the media, and "politicked" by the bumper sticker since it began. Wave the flag and cry "terrorism" and Americans will believe almost anything!

And the most DANGEROUS thing they will believe is that Democrats are any less proud of this country, dedicated to its legacy, and committed to its defense.

Or, for that matter, any less INVESTED in its future.

I hear alot of grumbling these days, that would once have been considered the precursor to a Civil War. That, by definition means part of the society is of a "segregationist" nature. (And I'm not referring to RACE here.) It is a FACT that this divisionism is not healthy for our country. And it is a FACT that I'm not hearing this from the Democrats.

[Part Time Dweller]

Just cuz you think it's great and agrees with your way of thinking, doesn't make it true.

Ok, so all those media clips of Clinton, Kerry, Kennedy, etc were just staged? Wow, who'd a thunk?

The point is, the Dem's change their positions as much as the Republicans. I am not happy with the Bush Admin either, but can't stand the free pass Clinton gets on his mistakes. IMHO, neither party is offering anything better for 08, so don't hold your breath for things changing soon.

And if you want to have a discussion about pre-war intelligence, even Pre-Administration intelligence levels... you've come to the right place, as I used to be IN that field. Do YOU have a Top Secret Clearance with Extensive Background Investigation?? No, dind't THINK so! Have YOU ever worked at the National Security Agency?? That's a rhetorical question!

Wow and now you are a truckdriver? Must not have been very good at it. If this was during the Clinton years it does explain things though. :P

[golfhobo]

And if you want to have a discussion about pre-war intelligence, even Pre-Administration intelligence levels... you've come to the right place, as I used to be IN that field. Do YOU have a Top Secret Clearance with Extensive Background Investigation?? No, dind't THINK so! Have YOU ever worked at the National Security Agency?? That's a rhetorical question!

Wow and now you are a truckdriver? Must not have been very good at it. If this was during the Clinton years it does explain things though. :P

So, NOW you are dissing Truck Driver's??? Or driving a truck as a (second) career? :shock: Do you realize how many ex-military we have here on this board, and in this profession? You're obviously NOT one of those, are you?

First, for your info, it was actually during the Reagan years. Second, I was VERY good at it. I walked away from it for reasons that are none of YOUR business.

Since then, I have had several other interesting professions, including owning my own business for 10 years.

I now drive a truck, because it is what I want to do. Unlike YOU, I didn't look DOWN of it as a profession JUST because I have done more exciting or perhaps important things in my life.

I have never been one to accept authority very well. Trucking gives me the freedom to complete my job as I see it needs to be done, and gets me out of this quagmire of an area I live in. And, for me anyway, it pays pretty well, and I love driving and seeing this great country about as much as anything I can think of.

As IF you could, why not explain for me how it would explain things for you if it HAD been during the Clinton years? I'm dying to hear your warped reasoning.

And, please.... no bumper sticker slogans, okay? Just real, intelligent thought, if you can muster it up.

[golfhobo]

Sorry, I thought this was a thread about [shower] shoes.

So did I!!!

Imagine my pleasant surprise when I found, instead, another STUPID, anti-American remark to debunk! 8)

[Part Time Dweller]

Well, if you could afford a good enough computer to watch the videos, you would have seen with your own eyes Clinton and company stating how Saddam was a major threat with his WMD's, and how he must be taken out. Point being, follow along now, if Bush was given bad intelligence, as in there were WMD's, yet none were actually found, then Clinton must have gotten the same bad info. I mean, how could Clinton claim there were WMD's when none were found? Hypocrisy at it's best.

Sounds like both administrations blew it, as well as the U.N.

Oh, I wasn't dissing truck drivers, just curious how someone with a resume like yours ended up in a job that is classified as unskilled labor? :?

PTD; waiting for yet another canned Al Franken response. :P

[golfhobo]

Well, if you could afford a good enough computer to watch the videos, you would have seen with your own eyes Clinton and company stating how Saddam was a major threat with his WMD's, and how he must be taken out. Point being, follow along now, if Bush was given bad intelligence, as in there were no WMD's, then Clinton must have gotten the same. I mean, how could Clinton claim there were WMD's when none were found? Sounds like Both administrations blew it, as well as the U.N.

Oh, I wasn't dissing truck drivers, just curious how someone with a resume like yours ended up in a job that is classified as unskilled labor? :?

PTD; waiting for yet another canned Al Franken response. :P

Well, my DAD surprised me one day with a new computer that I didn't get to "spec." I wasn't about to complain. I've always been a bit behind on the latest computer technology, cuz I just never cared. Actually, it is now just a "time" issue, in that I don't want to take it to the guru to have it upgraded. I don't even have RoadRunner, cuz I don't want to go through the effort to switch everything over. I will get to it, in time. Until I joined this board, and people (like you and others) started linking everything to a video, I never NEEDED more memory, although speed would have been nice.

As for... "Clinton and company stating how Saddam was a major threat with his WMD's, and how he must be taken out," I'm not going to say you or anyone else is "lying," but I believe - no, I KNOW - there is more to the story. Clinton KNEW that Saddam had WMD's at that time, yes! Heck.... We SOLD them to him under the Reagan administration! However, I don't know if I would ACTUALLY hear Clinton saying Saddam needed to be "taken out." Under Clinton, we tried to fund "insurgent" forces, who were more Democratic, to overthrow his regime, yes. I've never argued this fact. However, it was NOT because Clinton believed that Saddam had anything to do with Al Queda (we hadn't even hardly heard of THEM yet,) or that he was a threat to the citizens of the U.S., and he CERTAINLY didn't mean we should go to WAR against him.

Now.... YOU follow along. Bush was NOT given "faulty" intelligence. He was TOLD that there was NO evidence that Saddam HAD WMD's at that time, NOR that he was trying to reconstitute his program. This was NOT the answer Bush wanted to hear, following the attacks of 9/11, nor to fit his PRE-PLANNED agenda to attack and depose the dictator that daily walked over the image of his father in front of one of the major Ministry buildings in Baghdad (I forget which one.)

When did you FIRST learn about Clinton's attempted cruise missile strikes against Al Queda?? Not until YEARS after the fact, and only AFTER the war in Iraq had begun. When did you FIRST hear Bush making a 'case' against attacking Iraq? MONTHS before it happened. That would give ANY dictator plenty of time to send any WMD's he MIGHT have OUT of country. Bush can't keep a secret! Clinton obviously DID!

The point never really WAS whether Saddam HAD or STILL HAD WMD's... it was WHAT did he plan to do with them, whether he was a threat to US, and whether going to war against him because he wouldn't follow U.N. sanction policies "to the letter of the law" was worth the billions of dollars and thousands of lives we've spent on it! Especially, as it DEFLECTED our focus away from getting UBL "Dead or Alive" and in light of the WIDER Jihad that has resulted from such aggressiveness on the part of the World Leader.

But, you'll never understand that, as most conservative Americans don't, because you buy into the rhetoric that he was somehow responsible for 9/11, or aligned with Al Queda, or because someone has wagged a flag in front of your face and claimed that our boys are dying over there to protect OUR FREEDOMS! Which they are NOT!

At BEST, one could argue they are dying for NATION BUILDING, and THAT was NEVER condoned or voted for by ANYONE in Congress.... let alone the Democrats!

Neither Bush NOR Clinton were given "faulty" intelligence. Bush stood before Congress and the American people on T.V. and flat out LIED about his reasons for going to war in Iraq!

He KNEW he wouldn't get the okay if he told the truth, so he made the intelligence "fit" his agenda, and sold it to us ALL like a "flood damaged" used car!

The difference between YOUR type, and MINE, is that WE weren't buying it THEN, and we don't buy it NOW!

And NONE of this even broaches the subject of how ILL-managed this war has been from the beginning! Bush has changed his tactics as often as he's changed his reasons for going to war. And he has "excused" every mistake he's made, (or agenda he's followed) by crying "wolf!" (Terror for you nonliterary types.)

And YOU have bought it all, hook, line and sinker!

Sound like Al Franken to you? I wouldn't doubt if it did. Fact is, most Dems are conversant in the same truth against the war that I just mentioned, just like most NeoCons have memorized the same lies Bush and Rove have programmed them with. It's inescapable.

[Aligator]

Golfhobo...........hehe..........just drive the truck, boy.

You've already told us that you are an apartment dweller and now we know that you couldn't even afford to buy your own computer.

And now you claim to have been in intelligence (which is greatly different from actually having intelligence) but somehow just never really cared about technology.

When did you FIRST learn about Clinton's attempted cruise missile strikes against Al Queda?? Not until YEARS after the fact, and only AFTER the war in Iraq had begun.

Uh, no, actually most of us read it in the papers on August 20, 1998.
But it's not too late; you can bring yourself up to date here:
http://www.cnn.com/US/9808/20/us.strikes.01/
You'll like this part:

The president said he ordered the strike against bin Laden and his compatriots because of "compelling information they were planning additional terrorist attacks against our citizens and others with the inevitable collateral casualties and .. seeking to acquire chemical weapons and other dangerous weapons."

I know I did.

[Part Time Dweller]

It is called selective memory Alligator. No need for facts, they just cloud a good agenda.

[golfhobo]

Golfhobo...........hehe..........just drive the truck, boy.

Just rock your rockin' chair, Pops!

You've already told us that you are an apartment dweller and now we know that you couldn't even afford to buy your own computer.

I live in an apartment because I never intended to get STUCK here in the South. Unlike SOME of you, who've never been outside your little neck of the woods, I move around alot. I have no family, so I don't NEED a house.

I already HAD a computer (3, in fact, when my Dad bought me this one without asking me what would be "current." I don't care one bit about downloading music, watching videos, or many other applications some of you care about. I used my computers for business.

But, as a matter of fact, my finances are a bit strapped. I lost some money in that business, and am paying it back. So, because I'm not a wealthy landowner like YOU, I shouldn't have a vote, an opinion, or a past that includes some pretty interesting stuff?

And now you claim to have been in intelligence (which is greatly different from actually having intelligence) but somehow just never really cared about technology.

Sounds strange, I agree.... and yet.... I just never really became a techno-nerd! Go figure! I've only ONCE even ever cared enough to have a top notch sound system.

I don't own a digital camera, because I believe in the purity and tangeability of film.

I'm not as impressed by "things" as some of you are.

When did you FIRST learn about Clinton's attempted cruise missile strikes against Al Queda?? Not until YEARS after the fact, and only AFTER the war in Iraq had begun.

Uh, no, actually most of us read it in the papers on August 20, 1998.
But it's not too late; you can bring yourself up to date here:
http://www.cnn.com/US/9808/20/us.strikes.01/
You'll like this part:

I'm well aware of the fact that there was some news about it when it happened. I asked Dweller when HE/SHE heard about it! MOST of the current day Bush supporters have "glommed" onto this mantra only recently. Yeah, it wasn't exactly a secret, but Clinton didn't announce he was GOING to do it. He just did it, and THEN told us about it.

The president said he ordered the strike against bin Laden and his compatriots because of "compelling information they were planning additional terrorist attacks against our citizens and others with the inevitable collateral casualties and .. seeking to acquire chemical weapons and other dangerous weapons."

Thanks for proving that Clinton WAS fighting the war against Al Queda LONG before Bush claimed it as a slogan. Doesn't say a word about attacking SADDAM or IRAQ now, does it? Had Bush concentrated his efforts on getting Bin Laden in the first place, we might not be in Iraq today! Not unless.... of course, he WANTED us to be!

I know I did. :lol

Well.... at least you know SOMETHING!

[Part Time Dweller]

Sounds strange, I agree. I helped develop both the digital sampling hardware used at NSA today, AND the first GPS systems (we called it Triangulation using satellites back then.) I monitored Electronic comms from multiple countries at one time, using multiple satellites and a rack of electronic analysis equipment bigger than your garage, and yet.... I just never really became a techno-nerd! Go figure! I've only ONCE even ever cared enough to have a top notch sound system.

I don't own a digital camera, because I believe in the purity and tangeability of film.

Oh brother This sounds like a typical trucker with a big imagination. So when does the Federal Marshall part come in? I used to laugh my ass off at drivers like you Hobo, sitting at the counter impressing all the gullible with their BS.

[Rockjockey]

I'm sorry, I'm new here. Is this the comedy section? Some guy claims he was in the intelligence business back in the eighties, so he knows what President Bush saw today? He helped develop many of the current security technologies, but has no interest in learning that even a low end computer today(or even a $100 cell phone) can blow away what he was supposedly working with back then, and is easily capable of seeing videos on the net? This is funny stuff; maybe one of his many careers was as a comedian.

[golfhobo]

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[golfhobo]

I'm sorry, I'm new here. Is this the comedy section? Some guy claims he was in the intelligence business back in the eighties, so he knows what President Bush saw today? He helped develop many of the current security technologies, but has no interest in learning that even a low end computer today(or even a $100 cell phone) can blow away what he was supposedly working with back then, and is easily capable of seeing videos on the net? This is funny stuff; maybe one of his many careers was as a comedian.

And YOU, "one post wonder," can kiss my butt, too! I KNOW the capabilities of todays computers and microchips. I was around when we had Commodore 64's and magnetic tape backups you recorded on a small cassette recorder. I don't really LIKE computers, and I sure don't like shelling out another Grand everytime they add capacity to manage files heavy in graphics and media.

[greg3564]

I'm sorry, I'm new here. Is this the comedy section? Some guy claims he was in the intelligence business back in the eighties, so he knows what President Bush saw today? He helped develop many of the current security technologies, but has no interest in learning that even a low end computer today(or even a $100 cell phone) can blow away what he was supposedly working with back then, and is easily capable of seeing videos on the net? This is funny stuff; maybe one of his many careers was as a comedian.

And YOU, "one post wonder," can kiss my butt, too! I KNOW the capabilities of todays computers and microchips. I was around when we had Commodore 64's and magnetic tape backups you recorded on a small cassette recorder. I don't really LIKE computers, and I sure don't like shelling out another Grand everytime they add capacity to manage files heavy in graphics and media.

Golfhobo......Hey I still like you. I love how people just s**t on someone who has a differing opinion, instead of having an honest debate of the facts. And Youtube is for people who have ADD or a short attention span. Whatever happened to reading and investigating various sources?