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    http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/...tml?eref=onion

    From Michael Ware
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    BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- An Iranian opposition group based in Iraq, labeled a terrorist organization by the United States, gets protection from the U.S. military despite Iraqi pressure to leave the country.

    The U.S. considers the Mujahedeen-e-Khalq, or MEK, a source of valuable intelligence on Iran.

    The group also is credited with helping expose Iran's secret nuclear program through spying on Tehran for decades.

    Iranian officials tied the MEK to an explosion in February at a girls school in Zahedan, Iran. (Full story)

    The U.S. State Department considers the MEK a terrorist organization -- meaning no American can deal with it; U.S. banks must freeze its assets; and any American giving support to its members is committing a crime.

    The U.S. military, though, regularly escorts MEK supply runs between Baghdad and its base, Camp Ashraf.

    "The trips for procurement of logistical needs also take place under the control and protection of the MPs," said Mojgan Parsaii, vice president of MEK and leader of Camp Ashraf.

    That's because, according to U.S. documents, coalition forces regard MEK as protected people under the Geneva Conventions.

    "The coalition remains deeply committed to the security and rights of the protected people of Ashraf," U.S. Maj. Gen. John D. Gardner wrote in March 2006.

    The group also enjoys the protection of the International Committee of the Red Cross.

    "The ICRC has made clear that the residents of Camp Ashraf must not be deported, expelled or repatriated," according to an ICRC letter.

    Despite repeated requests, neither Iran's ambassador in Baghdad nor the U.S. military would comment on MEK, also known as Mojahedin Khalq Organization, or MKO.

    The State Department said Friday the Geneva Conventions protections apply only to MEK residents of Camp Ashraf, and the organization as a whole and its members elsewhere are subject to prosecution for terrorist or criminal acts.

    "We still regard them as a terrorist organization," former U.S. Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad said.

    When the U.S. invaded Iraq in 2003, Green Berets arrived at Camp Ashraf to find gardens and monuments, along with more than 2,000 well-maintained tanks, armored personnel carriers, artillery, anti-aircraft guns and vehicles.

    All 3,800 camp residents were questioned by Americans. No arrests were made, and the camp quickly surrendered under a cease-fire agreement -- an agreement that also guaranteed its safety.

    "Everyone's entry to the camp and his departure are controlled by the U.S. military police force," Parsaii said.

    The MEK denies it is a terrorist group. Both Iran and the Iraqi government, however, accuse the group of ongoing terrorist attacks, and the Shiite-dominated Iraqi government wants it out.

    "We gave this organization a six-month deadline to leave Iraq, and we informed the Red Cross," said Shirwan al-Wa'eli, Iraq's national security minister. "And presumably, our friends the Americans will respect our decision and they will not stay on Iraqi land."

    For now, however, the United States continues to protect MEK.

    "There are counter-pressures, too," Khalilzad said. "There are people who say, 'No, they should be allowed to stay here.' And as you know, around the world there are people with different views toward them."

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    One, your ignorance is truly frightening sometimes.
    I'm willing to die to protect my Right to Bear Arms.

    Are you willing to die to take them away from me?

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    I think he has a hard time understanding the history of the US Special Forces and what we pay them to do...

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    Yes, ...l

    It looks like we pay them to ensure the terrorists are well supplied.

    Boy , this war is going great!!

    Since when has the Geneva Convention been used for anything besides toilet paper in theis war?

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    Michael Ware's reporting objectivity was compromised a long time ago. Apparently One is ignorant of that. BOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfhound
    Yes, ...l

    It looks like we pay them to ensure the terrorists are well supplied.

    Boy , this war is going great!!

    Since when has the Geneva Convention been used for anything besides toilet paper in theis war?
    Geneva conventions? Is that where you saw off people's heads and or suspend mutilated bodies from overpasses, set off chlorine bombs in markets?

    Sell that bilge to someone who thinks that the UN or the Geneva accords are worth anything anymore.

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    Well, Michael Ware is still in Iraq and still respected for his work and is still reporting what he hears and sees, not many other reporters are over there full time , so I think Ill take his word over someFox news doode that got his 'news' straight from the RNC.
    Besides- this is not the first time a story about the US govt supplying weapons to shady groups with even worse reputations...Iraq doesnt even want those people within their borders...
    Special ops you say????So terrorists are special ops now? :?

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    Special ops you say????So terrorists are special ops now? :?
    Depends on who they are working for... My enemies have no problem with using terrorism to kill indiscriminately, I think the use of people who my enemy calls terrorists to kill selectively and attack and kill those who fund and carry out attacks on our soldiers and allies, are fair game.

    Terrorists are is some cases special weapons deployed by special forces, and that can change the outcome of wars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fozzy
    Quote Originally Posted by One
    Special ops you say????So terrorists are special ops now? :?
    Depends on who they are working for... My enemies have no problem with using terrorism to kill indiscriminately, I think the use of people who my enemy calls terrorists to kill selectively and attack and kill those who fund and carry out attacks on our soldiers and allies, are fair game.

    Terrorists are is some cases special weapons deployed by special forces, and that can change the outcome of wars.
    Oh my God...He's for real!!

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    I would suggest broadening your horizons.

    All any of us do over here is armchair QB. None of us, regardless of which side of the conflict we stand on, knows precisely what happens over there. Even with the media blitz, we have maybe, JUST maybe, 10% of the information that is needed to wage a war.

    Right or wrong, we're in Iraq. We can debate the reasoning for that until the end of time, but the fact is, we are still there. We are still at war. And we are in a position to want to end that war as quickly as possible. If using a terrorist group in special operations will end that war quicker, why be upset about it? That's the hypocritical line that many people walk, regarding this war. You want it over and the troops home (so do I), but you want to impose your own restrictions, values, and rules on the soldiers fighting that war. That's why we lost the Viet Nam war.

    Political correctness is going to be the eventual end of this country.

    It's war. The object of the war is to kill enough of the enemy that you win the war. I don't care how they do it. I just want them to git 'er done as quickly as possible.

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    ....tell THAT to our soldiers and Marines who are or have been tried for Murder....and I don't want to hear about how the people they killed were innocent "civilians"...our soldiers are trained to kill and when its done in a manner that is not done "politically correct", well, TRY 'EM FOR MURDER!!!!
    What hypocrisy. Because of this mindset, this "war" will end up like Vietnam. Too bad for us...and the beat goes on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfhound

    Oh my God...He's for real!!
    Yeah, I kind of pride myself in not being a phoney or get caught being as selectively and historically ignorant as the Bush haters when it comes to these things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twilight Flyer
    I would suggest broadening your horizons.

    All any of us do over here is armchair QB. None of us, regardless of which side of the conflict we stand on, knows precisely what happens over there. Even with the media blitz, we have maybe, JUST maybe, 10% of the information that is needed to wage a war.

    Right or wrong, we're in Iraq. We can debate the reasoning for that until the end of time, but the fact is, we are still there. We are still at war. And we are in a position to want to end that war as quickly as possible. If using a terrorist group in special operations will end that war quicker, why be upset about it? That's the hypocritical line that many people walk, regarding this war. You want it over and the troops home (so do I), but you want to impose your own restrictions, values, and rules on the soldiers fighting that war. That's why we lost the Viet Nam war.

    Political correctness is going to be the eventual end of this country.

    It's war. The object of the war is to kill enough of the enemy that you win the war. I don't care how they do it. I just want them to git 'er done as quickly as possible.
    Though I do not usualy get into these argument's or debate's on this type of subject.
    I have to agree with TF--- War is War, it is kill or be killed. This country is falling more and more under the political correctness bull.
    Should we be in Iraq?
    Truthfully I don't know, No matter what side you listen too, they all have a forked toung, "telling lies at the table cloth."
    No one seems to tell the truth anymore, or it is sugar coated.

    When 9-11 happened, I think when we gave the Talaban the opertunity to hand of Osama. When they didn't we should've "I my opinion", Nuked the hell out of them.
    Would it cause an all out war?-- Maybe
    If not, I personaly think what is going on now, wouldn't even be an issue, and No One would have the ball's to mess with the USA.
    If so-- then what is comming would already be, and we could just Get-R-Done just that sooner!

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    Oh...You'll have to excuse me ..

    See , I thought that for the last few years we were supposed to be FIGHTING terrorists.

    Guess I got it all wrong.

    I will promise to read the bulletins from the Ministry of Truth, with greater frequency.

    Sick...disgusting...so Bush.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fozzy
    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfhound

    Oh my God...He's for real!!
    Yeah, I kind of pride myself in not being a phoney or get caught being as selectively and historically ignorant as the Bush haters when it comes to these things.
    I guess we all need SOMETHING we can be proud of.

    In your case it sure wouldn't be your manners.

    Overbearing and rude....Cool.

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    Yeah, reminding some people with agendas and their heads in their butts about actual history is seen by them as "rude".


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fozzy
    Yeah, reminding some people with agendas and their heads in their butts about actual history is seen by them as "rude".

    No...What's rude is the way you address other people.

    Is that how you speak to people in person as well?

    Speaking of agendas, I thought we were supposed to be fighting terrorist's ...Not employing them.

    Perhaps you may recall why we went to war, why your loved one is in the service.

    Call me naive, but collaborating with terrorists somehow seems to render pointless the deaths of thousands of U.S. Service Members who have died fighting a WAR ON TERRORISM..

    That may be difficult to see with your head up your butt.

    While you brush up on your history, work on your manners as well .

    Your poor manners and your ignorance, are what's really boring.

    Please don't trouble yourself responding to any future posts of mine if common courtesy is something that troubles you.

    Thank you .

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    I beat the drums of war, ban the muslim religion in the USA or else we have lost this already
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fozzy
    Yeah, reminding some people with agendas and their heads in their butts about actual history is seen by them as "rude".

    No...What's rude is the way you address other people.

    What was so "rude"?

    Is that how you speak to people in person as well?

    Yes, why?

    Speaking of agendas, I thought we were supposed to be fighting terrorist's ...Not employing them.

    This depends on the mission and the enemy. we have many times been classified as terrorists. The special forces mission CAN be viewed as some AS terrorists. It all depends on who you ask and who you are killing.

    Perhaps you may recall why we went to war, why your loved one is in the service.

    My son went for the same reason I went and the same reason my father went.

    Call me naive, but collaborating with terrorists somehow seems to render pointless the deaths of thousands of U.S. Service Members who have died fighting a WAR ON TERRORISM..

    OK, You're Naive... To the terrorist networks (and some of the liberals of course) all of the US is terrorists. You're simply playing a game of semantics to win some political point.

    That may be difficult to see with your head up your butt.

    I wouldn't know, but since you are trying to talk through your belly button, you'd be the one with the experience in that area..

    While you brush up on your history, work on your manners as well .

    You'd have to go a long way to even attempt to discuss history with me there toots...

    Your poor manners and your ignorance, are what's really boring.

    And yet, I'm so boring that you continue to reply? I wonder why I'm not buying that line?

    Please don't trouble yourself responding to any future posts of mine if common courtesy is something that troubles you.

    Thank you .


    If you are so ignorant to not know how a D-I-S-C-U-S-S-I-O-N board works perhaps you can look it up on you way to the history section of the library?

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