Divination?

[Slimland]

This is a question that I thought of, concerning Divination of diffrent forms.

Knowing what the Bible say's of divination and the practice of-- is prohibited. The Why are the Apostle's able to cast lots?


The reason of this discussion, was because I had a debate with a co-worker on Tarro cards. Now this person was for them, I was against them. "Knowing what they are, because of past exp". But if this person was against them, then just for debate I would have been for them. "I was in the mood"

So What do y'all think?

Divination Yes or No--and a thought or 2!

[golfhobo]

This is a question that I thought of, concerning Divination of diffrent forms.

Hi! Slim. Good to see you again! Okay, I'll bite.... but you'll have to help me out just a bit with the background. Remember that I don't study all these peripheral details of religion the way you do!

Knowing what the Bible say's of divination and the practice of-- is prohibited. The Why are the Apostle's able to cast lots?

Give me a verse or two (and reference) about what the Bible says about the practice of it. What "IT" exactly do you mean? And I swear I don't remember anything about the Apostles casting lots!

The reason of this discussion, was because I had a debate with a co-worker on Tarot cards. Now this person was for them, I was against them. "Knowing what they are, because of past exp". But if this person was against them, then just for debate I would have been for them. "I was in the mood"

YOU? The Devil's Advocate??

So What do y'all think?

Divination Yes or No--and a thought or 2!

In Texas, we used to "divine" for water! Never worked! :shock:

[bulldog2036]

[Blacksheep]

WTF are you even talking about ? :?

[Slimland]

This is a question that I thought of, concerning Divination of diffrent forms.

Hi! Slim. Good to see you again! Okay, I'll bite.... but you'll have to help me out just a bit with the background. Remember that I don't study all these peripheral details of religion the way you do!

Knowing what the Bible say's of divination and the practice of-- is prohibited. The Why are the Apostle's able to cast lots?

Give me a verse or two (and reference) about what the Bible says about the practice of it. What "IT" exactly do you mean? And I swear I don't remember anything about the Apostles casting lots!

The reason of this discussion, was because I had a debate with a co-worker on Tarot cards. Now this person was for them, I was against them. "Knowing what they are, because of past exp". But if this person was against them, then just for debate I would have been for them. "I was in the mood"

YOU? The Devil's Advocate??

So What do y'all think?

Divination Yes or No--and a thought or 2!

In Texas, we used to "divine" for water! Never worked! :shock:

Hey Hobo, Let's see if I can sink this Hook!

First I will start with the Apostles casting Lots. This is found in ACTS!

Acts 1:21-26
21 “Therefore, of these men who have accompanied us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, 22 beginning from the baptism of John to that day when He was taken up from us, one of these must become a witness with us of His resurrection.”
23 And they proposed two: Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias. 24 And they prayed and said, “You, O Lord, who know the hearts of all, show which of these two You have chosen 25 to take part in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.” 26 And they cast their lots, and the lot fell on Matthias. And he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

Now Old Testament IMOP Declare's Divination as Witch Craft!

Leviticus 19:26
‘You shall not eat anything with the blood, nor shall you practice divination or soothsaying.

Deuteronomy 18:9-14
9 “When you come into the land which the LORD your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominations of those nations. 10 There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, 11 or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. 12 For all who do these things are an abomination to the LORD, and because of these abominations the LORD your God drives them out from before you. 13 You shall be blameless before the LORD your God. 14 For these nations which you will dispossess listened to soothsayers and diviners; but as for you, the LORD your God has not appointed such for you.

This is just a couple, and others are a little longer, in order to be put in context!


So Divination, according to Old Law, is bad, But clearly the Apostle, even though under the New Covenant practice this act, and apparently with the blessing of God.
My question besides the above, is why?

YOU? The Devil's Advocate??

I can quit well, if it is a subject that I am clear on and have experienced, and this just happened to be one of them. Not to mention I was just in the mood for a good argument, but this person didn't have the back ground to stand, more of a dabbler!

But considering my past record here, I can defanantly, see the Comedy in it

Oh thanks for fixin the spelling of Tarot, I didn't see the use of puting the extra "T" because it is silent. Just a wast of a good T.

[Slimland]

WTF are you even talking about ? :?

Divination, To be able to predict the futur, by Fire scrying, mirror gazing, Tarot Reading, tea leaf reading, crystal ball scrying, Necromacy "asking the dead", etc.

The subject is-- If it is against the principals of the Law, why where the Apostle's able to do it, and with God's Blessing?

[Useless]

Divination Yes or No--and a thought or 2!

I tried learning to read Tarrot Cards, tried Tea Leaf Reading, took up Crystal Ball Gazing, and studied Astrology.
Gave it up though; I just couldn't see any future in it!!

[Fozzy]

WTF are you even talking about ? :?

Divination, To be able to predict the futur, by Fire scrying, mirror gazing, Tarot Reading, tea leaf reading, crystal ball scrying, Necromacy "asking the dead", etc.

The subject is-- If it is against the principals of the Law, why where the Apostle's able to do it, and with God's Blessing?

It's no different to me than any other belief system.. whatever turns your crank...

[Blacksheep]

WTF are you even talking about ? :?

Divination, To be able to predict the futur, by Fire scrying, mirror gazing, Tarot Reading, tea leaf reading, crystal ball scrying, Necromacy "asking the dead", etc.

The subject is-- If it is against the principals of the Law, why where the Apostle's able to do it, and with God's Blessing?

I really wasn't expecting a answer, because I so don't care for these nut job type of post's.

[Slimland]

WTF are you even talking about ? :?

Divination, To be able to predict the futur, by Fire scrying, mirror gazing, Tarot Reading, tea leaf reading, crystal ball scrying, Necromacy "asking the dead", etc.

The subject is-- If it is against the principals of the Law, why where the Apostle's able to do it, and with God's Blessing?

It's no different to me than any other belief system.. whatever turns your crank...

So Fozzy you see no right or wrong in this?
I can accept that, but for the sake of argument, and I know you can
What do you think, knowing what you know, about biblical principals concerning this topic?
Also does your belief allow such activity?

[Mack2]

WTF are you even talking about ? :?

Divination, To be able to predict the futur, by Fire scrying, mirror gazing, Tarot Reading, tea leaf reading, crystal ball scrying, Necromacy "asking the dead", etc.

The subject is-- If it is against the principals of the Law, why where the Apostle's able to do it, and with God's Blessing?

Just a thought mabey it isn't somthing evil but God only wanted certain people to do it.

[Slimland]

WTF are you even talking about ? :?

Divination, To be able to predict the futur, by Fire scrying, mirror gazing, Tarot Reading, tea leaf reading, crystal ball scrying, Necromacy "asking the dead", etc.

The subject is-- If it is against the principals of the Law, why where the Apostle's able to do it, and with God's Blessing?

I really wasn't expecting a answer, because I so don't care for these nut job type of post's.

Then why post on them? :?

[Slimland]

WTF are you even talking about ? :?

Divination, To be able to predict the futur, by Fire scrying, mirror gazing, Tarot Reading, tea leaf reading, crystal ball scrying, Necromacy "asking the dead", etc.

The subject is-- If it is against the principals of the Law, why where the Apostle's able to do it, and with God's Blessing?

Just a thought mabey it isn't somthing evil but God only wanted certain people to do it.

This could be a possibility, but When King Saul went to the witch of Endor "My Ex-Wife" He damned himself and his kid, to a death for a sin that could have probably been avoided. Does this mean he went to hell? I don't know, I doubt it, cause David soon to be King, said Saul was still an anointed of God.

So why would God, who declares a decree, then backs a few who break it?

[Useless]

So why would God, who declares a decree, then backs a few who break it?

My take??

This is not so much an issue of "Evil Forces" that are supposedly behind Devination as it is a matter of people searching for quick or "easy" answers to what are often complex struggles or problems, and the problems that can be caused by that, or the exploitation of others that can result from false prophets and manipulative people posing as sooth-sayers.

I think that Lee Iaccocca summed it up best when he said "I believe that The Lord does us a great favor by only allowing us to see our lives one day at a time." I've certainally found that to be true!!

BTW, why did we lose the Spell-Check?? :shock: :evil:

[Mack2]

WTF are you even talking about ? :?

Divination, To be able to predict the futur, by Fire scrying, mirror gazing, Tarot Reading, tea leaf reading, crystal ball scrying, Necromacy "asking the dead", etc.

The subject is-- If it is against the principals of the Law, why where the Apostle's able to do it, and with God's Blessing?

Just a thought mabey it isn't somthing evil but God only wanted certain people to do it.

This could be a possibility, but When King Saul went to the witch of Endor "My Ex-Wife" He damned himself and his kid, to a death for a sin that could have probably been avoided. Does this mean he went to hell? I don't know, I doubt it, cause David soon to be King, said Saul was still an anointed of God.

So why would God, who declares a decree, then backs a few who break it?

Could it be that God told him (Saul) not to do it?

Mabey they didn't break it being God told them they could do it.

[Fozzy]

So Fozzy you see no right or wrong in this?

Right and wrong is not even in question here, to compare any of these things;

To be able to predict the futur, by Fire scrying, mirror gazing, Tarot Reading, tea leaf reading, crystal ball scrying, Necromacy "asking the dead", etc.

To the quackery of the bible (specifically) and all of the mumbo jumbo and superstitious craziness and "fortune telling" that it's "leaders" and followers engage in is just SILLY if you try and say that one is any different or any more wrong than anything else.

The subject is-- If it is against the principals of the Law, why where the Apostle's able to do it, and with God's Blessing?

You again have stumbled into the answer.. However it's the same answer I gave. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE.

I can accept that, but for the sake of argument, and I know you can Laughing
What do you think, knowing what you know, about biblical principals concerning this topic?

In my opinion the bible to me is the last place that someone would go to learned to be "principled". AND if this is in the bible and "god" accepted it.. who are YOU to question that? You keep this type of un-Christian behavior up.. your not going to make the magical bus ride... :P

Also does your belief allow such activity?

None of these activities are any more or less harmful than any of the mainstream religions activities comparatively.

[hoosierdaddy]

This is a question that I thought of, concerning Divination of diffrent forms.

Knowing what the Bible say's of divination and the practice of-- is prohibited. The Why are the Apostle's able to cast lots?


The reason of this discussion, was because I had a debate with a co-worker on Tarro cards. Now this person was for them, I was against them. "Knowing what they are, because of past exp". But if this person was against them, then just for debate I would have been for them. "I was in the mood"

So What do y'all think?

Divination is a practice the pagans used to try to contact spirits, etc. They were not believers in the one God and were not trying to accomplish anything that mattered. the apostles were chosen by God and they simply used a method to find out which one God wanted to be added to the fold. I don't believe the apostles were engaged in divination.

Divination Yes or No--and a thought or 2!

[Slimland]

Fozzy Said

To the quackery of the bible (specifically) and all of the mumbo jumbo and superstitious craziness and "fortune telling" that it's "leaders" and followers engage in is just SILLY if you try and say that one is any different or any more wrong than anything else.

It took me a minute to understand this, but I think I got it. Is what your saying-that the Fortune telling that the bible is against, is no diffrent than the prophecy's that are in it. Therfor, being a complete contradictory to itself?

Is that the same thing your trying to say, or did I misread it?


Fozzy said

You again have stumbled into the answer.. However it's the same answer I gave. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE.

Same as above right!

In my opinion the bible to me is the last place that someone would go to learned to be "principled". AND if this is in the bible and "god" accepted it.. who are YOU to question that? You keep this type of un-Christian behavior up.. your not going to make the magical bus ride... Razz

I question it, because I truly do not understand it!!

bedside's this topic, I can be the opposit!

None of these activities are any more or less harmful than any of the mainstream religions activities comparatively.

Thank you for ansering the question. 8)

[Slimland]

My take??

This is not so much an issue of "Evil Forces" that are supposedly behind Devination as it is a matter of people searching for quick or "easy" answers to what are often complex struggles or problems, and the problems that can be caused by that, or the exploitation of others that can result from false prophets and manipulative people posing as sooth-sayers.

I think that Lee Iaccocca summed it up best when he said "I believe that The Lord does us a great favor by only allowing us to see our lives one day at a time." I've certainally found that to be true!!

BTW, why did we lose the Spell-Check?? :shock: :evil:

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I understand this, but---The Apostle's where permitted to cast lots, which where controlled by the hand of God.

Saul loses his life, for consulting a medium.

King Solomon, find's trouble on the in the Kingdome, for his willful acts of Paganism.

I just don't see, a diffrence.

[Slimland]

So why would God, who declares a decree, then backs a few who break it?

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Could it be that God told him (Saul) not to do it?

Mabey they didn't break it being God told them they could do it.

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Did not God tell us all not too?

Now Old Testament IMOP Declare's Divination as Witch Craft!

Leviticus 19:26
‘You shall not eat anything with the blood, nor shall you practice divination or soothsaying.

Deuteronomy 18:9-14
9 “When you come into the land which the LORD your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominations of those nations. 10 There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, 11 or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. 12 For all who do these things are an abomination to the LORD, and because of these abominations the LORD your God drives them out from before you. 13 You shall be blameless before the LORD your God. 14 For these nations which you will dispossess listened to soothsayers and diviners; but as for you, the LORD your God has not appointed such for you.

So wouldn't this cover the Apostle's also?