Election 2008

[HorsePower]

Allright, I don't know if there is another thread on this subject. I could not see one. If there is, mods can delete this.

So far, I think there are three canditates on the list from the democrats:

- Hillary
- Obama
- Edwards

is that it? is there someone else? who do the republicans have so far?

What are your thoughts on these people? what are your hopes for 2008?

Here's a list of who I do not want to see on the list!

- Sharpton
- Gore
- Oprah :shock:

am I missing someone?

[devildice]

I think the "lesser" of the evils you listed would be Obama

[Uturn2001]

It would not suprise me if when it is all said and done the ballot sees Obama and Clinton on the ticket as Prez/Vp. Now who is who is going to be the interesting question.

[HorsePower]

Obama/Clinton would be an interesting combination

still, I heard no real answers YET. Only blame towards the republicans, and the rest is just blah stuff.

I have not heard any of them, Edwards neither, offer any SOLID solutions yet.

we'll have to wait and see.

I love debates. I will be looking forward to 2008 debates

[Useless]

From the democratic side, I could see Clinton/Obama. Bill Clinton could screw things up with his tawdry escapades, though.

As for the Republicans, perhaps McCain and Giuliani, unless the GOP stays hard right. I think that Condi Rice has shot herself in the foot with Iraq.

[Useless]

Obama/Clinton would be an interesting combination

still, I heard no real answers YET. Only blame towards the republicans, and the rest is just blah stuff.

I have not heard any of them, Edwards neither, offer any SOLID solutions yet.

we'll have to wait and see.

I love debates. I will be looking forward to 2008 debates

As someone who voted for Bush43 twice for Governor, and once for President, I think that both he and The Republican party deserve quite a bit of blame!!

[greg3564]

Obama/Clinton would be an interesting combination

still, I heard no real answers YET. Only blame towards the republicans, and the rest is just blah stuff.

I have not heard any of them, Edwards neither, offer any SOLID solutions yet.

we'll have to wait and see.

I love debates. I will be looking forward to 2008 debates

As someone who voted for Bush43 twice for Governor, and once for President, I think that both he and The Republican party deserve quite a bit of blame!!

So true! Iraq, I bet if Bush could go back and do it over again he wouldn't. Nah, he would! I'm a staunch conservative who has never voted democrat. Not sure I ever could, so I hope that the republicans can muster up a good candidate. I read that Rudy G. might run as an independent, which will have the Ross Perot effect. I hope he stays with the republicans and gets paired up with a strong running mate. i think BOTH parties will have to go with moderate candidates to have a chance at winning on 2008. I don't see Clinton as a moderate. Her views and voting record swings pretty wide to the left in my opinion.

I hate Presidential elections! :x

[HorsePower]

I also voted for Bush. I am not sorry I did. I still believe he was the better choice at the time.

Still, I don't like this war thing, and last night he addressed the nation, saying we "need more troops in Iraq" :shock:

I thought we were trying to bring them home, and let the Middle East kinda take care of itself.

I agree: the Republicans kinda shot themselves with the war.

[traveler15301]

I thought we were trying to bring them home, and let the Middle East kinda take care of itself.
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We should NOT be sacrificing American lives for ANY reason over there, we should solve the problem in one, great instantaneous flash of power!

Problem solved!!!

Iraq and Iran in one stroke! Iran wants nukes so badly, we should send them over a dozen or so....AIRMAIL..... special delivery!!! It might change their minds (and give ole Kim Jong Idiot some food for thought as well).

Unfortunately, in this day and age of media managed politicians we will never get anyone with intestinal fortitude in the (formerly) hallowed halls where Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln et al hallowed them by their mere presence.

The current crop of political hacks are too overly concerned with their personal aggrandisement (and buggering of little boys, and stealing with both fists and ad infinitum...) to bother to acquire an intellect, an opinion or backbone beyond what their so-called "handlers" think will give them a 0.001% advantage in the next AP/CBS/Cosmopolitan/Time/Gaming World poll.

I fear we will never again see men (or women) of the calibre of the giants who founded this great nation and nutured it for so long.

Oh well...of the soapbox......Republican>McCain Democrat>Osama
they are both mediocre and bland enough to avoid offending enough of the ignorant electorate, play to the proper power brokers and cow tow to the special interests to ensure another decade of meaningless drivel and rule by bureauracy. As to which of those two would win...it will be whoever is the better "ass kisser"!

[Mack2]

I thought we were trying to bring them home, and let the Middle East kinda take care of itself.
.

We should NOT be sacrificing American lives for ANY reason over there, we should solve the problem in one, great instantaneous flash of power!

Problem solved!!!

Iraq and Iran in one stroke! Iran wants nukes so badly, we should send them over a dozen or so....AIRMAIL..... special delivery!!! It might change their minds (and give ole Kim Jong Idiot some food for thought as well).

Unfortunately, in this day and age of media managed politicians we will never get anyone with intestinal fortitude in the (formerly) hallowed halls where Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln et al hallowed them by their mere presence.

The current crop of political hacks are too overly concerned with their personal aggrandisement (and buggering of little boys, and stealing with both fists and ad infinitum...) to bother to acquire an intellect, an opinion or backbone beyond what their so-called "handlers" think will give them a 0.001% advantage in the next AP/CBS/Cosmopolitan/Time/Gaming World poll.

I fear we will never again see men (or women) of the calibre of the giants who founded this great nation and nutured it for so long.

Oh well...of the soapbox......Republican>McCain Democrat>Osama
they are both mediocre and bland enough to avoid offending enough of the ignorant electorate, play to the proper power brokers and cow tow to the special interests to ensure another decade of meaningless drivel and rule by bureauracy. As to which of those two would win...it will be whoever is the better "ass kisser"!

I agree.

[HorsePower]

I agree about 'not sacrificing American lives for this war'. Absolutely, wholeheartedly.

I do not agree, however, about just 'boming the whole place up'.

You do know there are many children in those countries, do you not? What have they done to deserve such treatment? How about the old folks there? How about those who have nothing to do with the war or with muslim extremism?

[Mack2]

I agree about 'not sacrificing American lives for this war'. Absolutely, wholeheartedly.

I do not agree, however, about just 'boming the whole place up'.

You do know there are many children in those countries, do you not? What have they done to deserve such treatment? How about the old folks there? How about those who have nothing to do with the war or with muslim extremism?

I'm going to have to think about that. I don't think we should kill the kids and stuff but we have to keep our troops from getting killed to. What do you think would happen to those kids and those people if we left?

[traveler15301]

I agree about 'not sacrificing American lives for this war'. Absolutely, wholeheartedly.

I do not agree, however, about just 'boming the whole place up'.

You do know there are many children in those countries, do you not? What have they done to deserve such treatment? How about the old folks there? How about those who have nothing to do with the war or with muslim extremism?

This is a very complex moral/ethical/political issue way too deep for this forum and very off topic for this thread....

but......

it IS a war...and unfortunately, in war, non-combatants (children, elderly and other so-called "innocents") frequently suffer or die unnecessarily (or out of proportion to their participation or, by lack of opposition to actions against us, tacit complicity in same).
However, WE must prevail...with the least possible cost to us. In my opinion, the cost is too great to sacrifice American lives (equally or more "innocent" than ANY occupant of that land) to achieve our objectives when we have the technical wherewithal to accomplish our objectives without so much cost to us.
The fire bombings of Dresden and Hamburg are historical examples of these kinds of actions which actually had little strategic or tactical value, but were done nonetheless.
By "pacifying" that entire area in the manner I propose we would also greatly diminish the likliehood of having to bleed ourselves slowly there for many more years.

Sorry to digress and be so off-topic...perhaps we should start a thread/poll: Nuke the mideast ???

[Useless]

I agree about 'not sacrificing American lives for this war'. Absolutely, wholeheartedly.

I do not agree, however, about just 'boming the whole place up'.

You do know there are many children in those countries, do you not? What have they done to deserve such treatment? How about the old folks there? How about those who have nothing to do with the war or with muslim extremism?

:shock: Now HP, just last night, you were asking "....but what can I contribute here??

Question answered?? :wink:

[HorsePower]

ok, ok Useless, this is fun indeed.

[HorsePower]

you guys really believe a 'carpet' bomb would be the answer here?

I understand the war concept, somewhat. Yes, innocent people always die in wars.

But what is next? Korea? How about Somalia?

where does it stop? can we kill ALL muslim extremists? Well yeah, I wish we could , really, but I don't know if it is possible.

[ben45750]

Glad to see a politics thread without any slander..... yet. 2008 is going to be another odd year, voting against the person you don't want to see as president rather than voting for the person you want as president.

Ever hear what Barack Obama's middle name is? His middle name is Hussein. So his last name is very similar to O sama and his middle name is the same as the former Iraq dictator. He is a great speaker and very inspirational but when the political adds hit every one is going to associate him with O sama and Sadam. Hate to say that but thats what will happen.

I will not make up my mind till I see how the Democrats handle the leadership in congress, If they do well I will probably go Democrat depending on who they select for the presidential candidate. But if they start the stupid issues like they are doing now with minimum wage I'll go Republican, depending on who they select.

If I had to pick one now, I like Rudy. Rudy is a republican but also has liberal views. On the downside Rudy has skeletons in his closet.

[ben45750]

I would also like to add 2008 might be a good year for Gore to try again.

[HorsePower]

didn't know that about Obama. I am sure people will pick up on that soon enough...

Gore? I don't think he's going to run, do you?

and yes, I agree about the democratic nonsense. They will have to come up with real solutions instead of just blaming the reps and instead of fixing 'little' problems.

[ben45750]

I don't think Gore is looking to run but I haven't read anything about him not running. I don't know maybe he has stated he has no desire to run 2008..... not sure? Who ever takes the job is going to have a very difficult job, we are in a mess in the middle east and it's only going to get worse.