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    Quote Originally Posted by phantom
    Hilary is an idiot, not sure about Obama, God help us.....
    I voted for G.W. , but this war really messed things up, the Republicans
    dropped the ball, now, all the idiots are going to be in charge!-NOW WE'RE
    REALLY GONNA BE IN TROUBLE :evil:
    I will not vote for ANYONE who is not opposed to the summit mandates of the Summit of the Americas. These mandates that both Bush and Clinton agreed to are NAFTA, GATT, UNESCO and many other things that erode our sovereignty.

    I did not vote for Bush, Kerry or Gore. They are all the same with a few minor differences to. Before I moved up to Idaho in 2000 I knew we were going to war with Iraq (this is when Clinton was still president). I knew there was going to be a terrorist attack on American soil.

    Please read Ron Paul's stuff. I am not asking anyone to vote for him....just read what he has to say and what he has done in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikey4069
    That good reading Goin Fer It i see a alot of truth in what he is saying.I bookmark so can go back and read all of it . thx :x
    Thank you Mikey! I am finding not many people are familiar with Ron Paul. I have e-mailed my representatives on more than one occasion to support some of his legislation.

    I think if you read his articles you will like him. He wants the government to stop spending money and let the people spend their own money!!! What a concept. :shock:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goin Fer It
    He wants the government to stop spending money and let the people spend their own money!!!
    yes, that's what Bush said in the beginning, and yet his administration spent more than most other republican administrations in American history.

    they all sound good in the beginning. once they make it, if they make it, everything changes
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    Quote Originally Posted by HorsePower

    yes, that's what Bush said in the beginning, and yet his administration spent more than most other republican administrations in American history.

    they all sound good in the beginning. once they make it, if they make it, everything changes
    But Ron Pauls record backs him up. He votes and introduces legislation in order to get things done. Bush did not. Ron Paul is disgusted with what is happening. Please go in and read his stuff. Here are a few bits from his diffrent letters. And you can go way back and find he does not waiver. His votes show that.

    Once again his link for his letters.

    http://www.house.gov/paul/legis_tst.htm

    His link for his home page http://www.house.gov/paul/

    The Threat of Rising Property Taxes

    I introduced HR 5860 to address this problem. This legislation creates an “above the line deduction” on the first page of your 1040, meaning you can deduct every penny of your property taxes without itemizing and still enjoy the full value of your standard deduction. Even taxpayers using 1040A or 1040EZ forms can take the deduction. This means average and lower income taxpayers can take the same deduction for their property taxes that high-income taxpayers with complex deductions now enjoy.

    Property taxes are only one piece of the puzzle. Overall, most Americans hand over at least 40% of every dollar they make to government at some level. The appetite for your tax dollars—whether at the federal, state, or local level—will continue to grow year after year unless we begin to rethink the proper role for government in our lives. If you think you’ve been squeezed for every last drop of taxes, demand that both your representatives in the statehouse and Washington do something to address spiraling property taxes.


    Another "Emergency" Spending Bill

    March 20, 2006

    This is the real emergency that must be addressed in Washington, and the only solution is to reduce government spending substantially. If we don’t put the brakes on the spending spree soon, we may find ourselves facing another period of economic malaise that rivals the 1930s.

    Who Opposes Simpler, Lower Taxes?

    October 17, 2005
    True tax reform is as simple as cutting or eliminating taxes. No studies, panels, committees, or hearings are needed. When reform proposals seem complicated, they almost certainly don’t cut taxes. Government spending is the problem! When the federal government takes $2.5 trillion dollars out of the legitimate private economy in a single year, whether through taxes or borrowing, spending clearly is out of control. Deficit spending creates a de facto tax hike, because deficits can be repaid only by future tax increases. By this measure Congress and the president have raised taxes dramatically over the past few years, despite the tax-cutting rhetoric. The real issue is total spending by government, not tax reform.


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    Quote Originally Posted by HorsePower

    yes, that's what Bush said in the beginning, and yet his administration spent more than most other republican administrations in American history.

    they all sound good in the beginning. once they make it, if they make it, everything changes
    See Ron Paul agrees with you!



    A portion of
    Cough Up written by Ron Paul

    April 10, 2006
    The real enemy of tax reform is the spending culture in Washington. Let me repeat: we will never have tax reform in this country until Congress changes its spending habits. The reform rhetoric, regardless of which party it comes from, never changes the reality that federal spending grows every year. Congress spent $2.4 trillion in the last Bush budget; the new budget proposes to spend $2.7 trillion. The same unconstitutional agencies are funded, the same unwise programs are perpetuated, but at higher levels than last year. The previous budget serves merely as a baseline; the only question in any given year is how much spending will increase. Once created, no spending program is ever eliminated. The cycle goes on and on, with different administrations and different people in Congress.

    But could America exist without an income tax? The idea seems radical, yet in truth America did just fine without a federal income tax for the first 126 years of her history. Prior to 1913, the government operated with revenues raised through tariffs, excise taxes, and property taxes, without ever touching a worker's paycheck. Even today, individual income taxes account for only approximately one-third of federal revenue. Eliminating one-third of the proposed 2007 budget would still leave federal spending at roughly $1.8 trillion-- a sum greater than the budget just 6 years ago in 2000! Does anyone seriously believe we could not find ways to cut spending back to 2000 levels? Perhaps the idea of an America without an income tax is not so radical after all. It’s something to think about this week as we approach April 15th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goin Fer It
    Quote Originally Posted by Useless

    In my humble opinion, the top three 'issues' would probably be:

    1. The War in the Middle East
    2. The Economy
    3. Immigration
    Useless,

    What do you think about this on the issue of Immigration? This is exactly what I believe needs to happen.

    September 11, 2006

    http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2006/tst091106.htm

    With the November elections looming, politics is taking priority over sensible policy. It appears congressional leaders have no intention of addressing the issue of illegal immigration this year, preferring not to tackle such a thorny problem for fear of angering voters one way or another.

    But this is a mistake. The American people want something done about illegal immigration now-- not next year. All sides in the immigration debate agree that the current, “Don’t ask, don’t tell,” policy cannot continue. That’s why I am joining several of my colleagues in demanding that the Senate vote this month on a border security bill already passed by the House earlier this year. I truly believe border security is the most important issue for millions of Americans.

    Both the Bush administration and congressional leadership have promised to spend the next two months addressing national security issues. But real national security cannot be achieved unless and until our borders are physically secured. It’s as simple as that. All the talk about fighting terror and making America safer is meaningless without border security. It makes no sense to seek terrorists abroad if our own front door is left unlocked.

    Although the border security bill already passed by the House is a good start, Congress needs to pass broader legislation this year based on the following simple points:

    First, physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must have control over who enters our country before we even begin to consider complicated immigration reform proposals.

    Second, enforce visa rules on those already in the country. Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport individuals who overstay their visas or otherwise violate U.S. law. This is especially important when we recall that some of the 9/11 terrorists had expired visas.

    Third, reject amnesty. If we reward lawbreakers who enter this country illegally with citizenship, then any new laws Congress might pass likewise can be ignored. Reform must begin with a new mentality that immigration laws will be enforced.

    Fourth, end welfare-state incentives for illegals. Americans are quick to welcome immigrants who simply wish to work hard and make a better life for themselves. But taxpayers cannot continue to pay when illegal immigrants use hospitals, clinics, schools, roads, and social services.

    Fifth, end birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the perverse incentive to sneak into this country remains strong. Citizenship involves more than the mere location of one’s birth.

    Finally, completely overhaul the legal immigration process. The current system is incoherent and unfair. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the same rules and waiting periods.

    If we keep these points in mind, immigration reform does not need to be complicated or expensive. It does, however, need to happen this year.
    Do you really think they are going to do anything about illegal immigrants? The major voter registry is Little Havana FL. & Mexica CA. Other major city's have migrant workers. Do you know how much campaign money they spend on translators for Latins?

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    do we have a picture of this Ron Paul?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manicmechnic

    Do you really think they are going to do anything about illegal immigrants? The major voter registry is Little Havana FL. & Mexica CA. Other major city's have migrant workers. Do you know how much campaign money they spend on translators for Latins?
    I do not know how much Ron Paul would be able to do to reverse the situation, without Congress and Senators backing him. I do know that if he was president he could order that they enforce the laws on the books. And he can also veto any amnesty bills. He also could declare the Summit of the America mandates unconstitutional and make an EO relinquishing any such agreements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HorsePower
    do we have a picture of this Ron Paul?
    On his homepage. I just saw his picture for the first time a few days ago. I have known about him and his bills for years.

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    thanks

    I just want to know who he is when I see the face, if he ever appears on the news
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    Quote Originally Posted by HorsePower
    thanks

    I just want to know who he is when I see the face, if he ever appears on the news
    I know the news does not support or want to have Ron Paul around. He talks about things that they do not support. Year after year he has attempted to get the US to stop funding the UN. You never hear about that.

    Mental Health Testing for all Americans.....have you ever heard about that in the news? Ron Paul attempted to pass a bill to stop it. When our Representatives passed it anyway he then sent another bill to defund the program with American Tax dollars. You will not hear about this on the news.

    All this stuff is in his weekly letters. I had never been on his web site before and I found the stuff very interesting!

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    well, if he doesn't have media support and coverage, how will he ever be heard and noticed?

    talking about important issues, and not being heard by anybody, is not how you win an election. It is 'better' to talk 'blah' and be heard by everybody: that'll give you more chances to win. Isn't that what's happening now anyways?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HorsePower
    well, if he doesn't have media support and coverage, how will he ever be heard and noticed?

    talking about important issues, and not being heard by anybody, is not how you win an election. It is 'better' to talk 'blah' and be heard by everybody: that'll give you more chances to win. Isn't that what's happening now anyways?
    I suppose that is true. But if people started supporting him more and more....he may just be to hard to ignore. I would not want him to waiver from his view that the Constitution should be our guide.

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    people support is not the only thing needed in today's elections.

    We live in a society controlled by the media, pretty much. If the media does not cover somebody, they don't have much of a chance.


    I thought the media was supposed to provide equal media coverage to all candidates, no?

    of course, then we have media ADS, which cost money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HorsePower
    people support is not the only thing needed in today's elections.

    We live in a society controlled by the media, pretty much. If the media does not cover somebody, they don't have much of a chance.


    I thought the media was supposed to provide equal media coverage to all candidates, no?

    of course, then we have media ADS, which cost money.
    No! They do not. But with the debates and all he will have some media attention. And with the Internet that is most reliable source for media if people want to find out what is really going on.

    Remember in the 1960's one of the Communist Goals was to take over the media. Our new Communist is the Global UN.

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    I checked Ron Paul's website: http://www.house.gov/paul/

    not bad

    has he announced he is running?
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    Obama is getting 'louder'

    what do you think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HorsePower
    Obama is getting 'louder'

    what do you think?
    Two thoughts come to mind...I wish I could quote, but I do not remember well enough to do so, therefore I paraphrase...

    I believe it was Herr Josef Goebbels who said the more ridiculous and outrageous the lie, the easier it is to make people accept it...and...

    I cannot even remember who said this but...if you say something loudly enough and often enough people will believe it.

    So the louder these clowns get (and the more often they repeat themselves) the LESS inclined I am to accept them!!!

    and BTW, that Ron Paul site is pretty good....he has a newsletter as well. But he will never succeed or even be taken seriously...he makes too much sense!!!
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