Major Question

[NascarFan]

Nascar,

The combined GVWR is 25,200. The truck is 11,200 and the trailer is 14,000. We keep it under 26,001 so CDL's wouldn't be needed at the time because I was only 19 and not old enough to take the test.

Thanks again for all the info. It is very much appreciated.

Jonathan

One word of caution here, according to US DOT any driver towing a trailer over 10,001 lbs must have a class "A" CDL.

The Commercial Motor Vehicle Act of 1986 (The Act) was designed to remove unsafe and unqualified drivers of heavy trucks and buses from the nation’s highways. The Act required the Secretary of the U.S. Department of Transportation to issue regulations establishing guidelines and standards for the testing and licensing of CMV drivers. These guidelines and standards were established in the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) Chapter 49, Part 383. All states adopted these licensing guidelines and standards in April 1992 . The commercial driver’s license requirements are applicable to drivers transporting persons or property in both interstate or intrastate commerce. The commercial driver’s license has three classes covering the following vehicle classification groups:

Class A -- Required for a combination vehicle with a gross combination weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 pounds or more and towing a vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of more than 10,000 pounds.

Class B -- Required for a single unit vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of 26,001 pounds or more, or any such vehicle towing a vehicle not in excess of 10,000 lbs. GVWR.


So if the trailer weighs more than 10,001 lbs you must have a Class A CDL

Not quite.....he said his GCWR was 25,200.....

Class A only applies if GCWR>= 26001 and trailer GVWR>10k

Pickups with trailers (even with GVWR>10k) do NOT need class A if GCWR is <=26k

Try telling that to a state trooper.

[JOYRIDE]

BanditsCousin,

A toter home is a top of the line tow rig for somebody in my situtation. Unfortunatley, they have a great product and know it. My buddy who shows with me just upgraded his toter home to a freightliner with a mercedes diesel and a 17' box with a slide. He paid around $165,000 for the rig alone. That kind of money is way out of my league for now, so when I need luxury I will just use his. Thanks for the input and it is a great idea, I just can't afford one.

Jonathan

[traveler15301]

Try telling that to a state trooper.

I have...and though they are a bit "reluctant" at first, even the most moronic of them finally get it when properly explained to them...
though not always by me....it took an attorney AND the magistrate once to explain the finer points of the english language word "AND" to one trooper.......I'll bet he was at the top of his class at the Gestapo....oops...State Police Academy!!

[Manicmechnic]

Try telling that to a state trooper.

I have...and though they are a bit "reluctant" at first, even the most moronic of them finally get it when properly explained to them...
though not always by me....it took an attorney AND the magistrate once to explain the finer points of the english language word "AND" to one trooper.......I'll bet he was at the top of his class at the Gestapo....oops...State Police Academy!!

Was that in PA?
http://www.courts.state.pa.us/OpPost...emeOpindex.asp

[NascarFan]

So what about a truck with a GVWR of 26,000lbs and 10,000lb trailer that = 36,000lbs so what then do you need a CDL?

[NascarFan]

JOYRIDE how tall and wide is the truck you are haulling.

[traveler15301]

Was that in PA?
http://www.courts.state.pa.us/OpPost...emeOpindex.asp

Yes it was. Pickup GVWR 11500, trailer GVWR 14500. GCWR 26000.

Trooper insisted because the trailer was over 10k you must have a class A regardless of the truck GVWR or the GCWR. Local magistrate and lawyer figured it out properly.

Truck scaled 10200...trailer scaled 12k.

I did not garner any info from that link you posted....if you had a specific case in mind please let me know. That site just gives you a chance to search all supreme court decisions.

[Manicmechnic]

Was that in PA?
http://www.courts.state.pa.us/OpPost...emeOpindex.asp

Yes it was. Pickup GVWR 11500, trailer GVWR 14500. GCWR 26000.

Trooper insisted because the trailer was over 10k you must have a class A regardless of the truck GVWR or the GCWR. Local magistrate and lawyer figured it out properly.

Truck scaled 10200...trailer scaled 12k.

I did not garner any info from that link you posted....if you had a specific case in mind please let me know. That site just gives you a chance to search all supreme court decisions.

Specific case, Yes yours. One form or another it would be there. Unless it is a different State and every state has there Judicial opinion. In any case I would love to see it.

[WildBob]

So what about a truck with a GVWR of 26,000lbs and 10,000lb trailer that = 36,000lbs so what then do you need a CDL?

From the interpretation section of FMCSA regulation 383.5, Definitions:

Question 6: A driver operates a tractor of exactly 26,000 pounds GVWR, towing a trailer of exactly 10,000 pounds GVWR, for a GCWR of 36,000 pounds. HM and passengers are not involved. Is it a CMV and does the driver need a CDL?

Guidance: No to both questions. Although the vehicle has a GCWR of 36,000 pounds, it is not a CMV under any part of the definition of that term in §383.5, and a CDL is not federally required.

[JOYRIDE]

Nascar,

The truck is 9'6" tall and 101" wide. This height and and width are with tires that are 49" tall and 21" wide. When putting it inside an enclosed trailer, we would swap the tires out with some that are 37" tall and 12" wide.

Here is a pic of the truck on the trailer before we painted it.



Here is a pic of the truck after paint.

[NascarFan]

Sorry that it took so long to get back to you but what about somthing like this with a trailer.

[Manicmechnic]

So what about a truck with a GVWR of 26,000lbs and 10,000lb trailer that = 36,000lbs so what then do you need a CDL?

From the interpretation section of FMCSA regulation 383.5, Definitions:

Question 6: A driver operates a tractor of exactly 26,000 pounds GVWR, towing a trailer of exactly 10,000 pounds GVWR, for a GCWR of 36,000 pounds. HM and passengers are not involved. Is it a CMV and does the driver need a CDL?

Guidance: No to both questions. Although the vehicle has a GCWR of 36,000 pounds, it is not a CMV under any part of the definition of that term in §383.5, and a CDL is not federally required.

Yup, 12k gvw trailor with a 6k gvw truck is trouble. I have seen it in many different states buy the guys who cut grass. If you were lucky it would be ground breaking news.

[WildBob]

So what about a truck with a GVWR of 26,000lbs and 10,000lb trailer that = 36,000lbs so what then do you need a CDL?

From the interpretation section of FMCSA regulation 383.5, Definitions:

Question 6: A driver operates a tractor of exactly 26,000 pounds GVWR, towing a trailer of exactly 10,000 pounds GVWR, for a GCWR of 36,000 pounds. HM and passengers are not involved. Is it a CMV and does the driver need a CDL?

Guidance: No to both questions. Although the vehicle has a GCWR of 36,000 pounds, it is not a CMV under any part of the definition of that term in §383.5, and a CDL is not federally required.

Yup, 12k gvw trailor with a 6k gvw truck is trouble. I have seen it in many different states buy the guys who cut grass. If you were lucky it would be ground breaking news.

I'm assuming you meant 26k where you wrote 6k, but you're right. In fact, you'd hit CDL status if the trailer's GVWR was 10,001 with a 16,000 GVWR tractor.

[Manicmechnic]

So what about a truck with a GVWR of 26,000lbs and 10,000lb trailer that = 36,000lbs so what then do you need a CDL?

From the interpretation section of FMCSA regulation 383.5, Definitions:

Question 6: A driver operates a tractor of exactly 26,000 pounds GVWR, towing a trailer of exactly 10,000 pounds GVWR, for a GCWR of 36,000 pounds. HM and passengers are not involved. Is it a CMV and does the driver need a CDL?

Guidance: No to both questions. Although the vehicle has a GCWR of 36,000 pounds, it is not a CMV under any part of the definition of that term in §383.5, and a CDL is not federally required.

Yup, 12k gvw trailor with a 6k gvw truck is trouble. I have seen it in many different states buy the guys who cut grass. If you were lucky it would be ground breaking news.

I'm assuming you meant 26k where you wrote 6k, but you're right. In fact, you'd hit CDL status if the trailer's GVWR was 10,001 with a 16,000 GVWR tractor.

6k truck 12k trailor

[WildBob]

So what about a truck with a GVWR of 26,000lbs and 10,000lb trailer that = 36,000lbs so what then do you need a CDL?

From the interpretation section of FMCSA regulation 383.5, Definitions:

Question 6: A driver operates a tractor of exactly 26,000 pounds GVWR, towing a trailer of exactly 10,000 pounds GVWR, for a GCWR of 36,000 pounds. HM and passengers are not involved. Is it a CMV and does the driver need a CDL?

Guidance: No to both questions. Although the vehicle has a GCWR of 36,000 pounds, it is not a CMV under any part of the definition of that term in §383.5, and a CDL is not federally required.

Yup, 12k gvw trailor with a 6k gvw truck is trouble. I have seen it in many different states buy the guys who cut grass. If you were lucky it would be ground breaking news.

I'm assuming you meant 26k where you wrote 6k, but you're right. In fact, you'd hit CDL status if the trailer's GVWR was 10,001 with a 16,000 GVWR tractor.

6k truck 12k trailor

Gotcha. Just curious, are we talking actual weight or weight ratings? If the GCWR of that rig is only 18,000#, a CDL would not be required. That truck looks like a dually. If so, a 6,000# GVWR seems a little low....should be closer to 10,000+#. If that trailer has dual tandems, then surely it's GVWR is higher than 12,000#.

[markt1993]

I live in SC and the only way you'll find out exactly what you need to do is to go to Columbia. Actually Blythwood. That is where the main Motor Vehicle department is located.
It is also where Motor Carrier Services is located. If you go there in person they are very helpful.
I have drive a straight truck now, but I have a CDL class A. I have a boat that weighs 11,900lbs not including the weight of the trailer. I have often wondered if CDL's are required to pull it. I pull the boat with a F-250 that is rated to pull 12,500lbs.
Pick-up truck now days can pull and carry almost as much as big trucks, I bet before long they will make some new laws on them.
I have a friend in grading he uses Ford F-550 and Chevy 5500 with dump beds on them. He pulls full size loaders and everything else with them. He claims they fall under a different restrictions than do a full size dump truck, esp. since he doesn't cross state lines.

[WildBob]

I live in SC and the only way you'll find out exactly what you need to do is to go to Columbia. Actually Blythwood. That is where the main Motor Vehicle department is located.
It is also where Motor Carrier Services is located. If you go there in person they are very helpful.
I have drive a straight truck now, but I have a CDL class A. I have a boat that weighs 11,900lbs not including the weight of the trailer. I have often wondered if CDL's are required to pull it. I pull the boat with a F-250 that is rated to pull 12,500lbs.
Pick-up truck now days can pull and carry almost as much as big trucks, I bet before long they will make some new laws on them.
I have a friend in grading he uses Ford F-550 and Chevy 5500 with dump beds on them. He pulls full size loaders and everything else with them. He claims they fall under a different restrictions than do a full size dump truck, esp. since he doesn't cross state lines.

I agree that your state dmv or in your case, dept. of public safety, can be a good source of info.

I don't think your big boat requires a CDL unless it's used in commerce and your tow vehicle is big enough to put you over the 26,000# threshold.

Again, the FMSCA and DOT uses GVWR, not actual weight (unless, of course you exceed the rating of your vehicle...they generally don't like that) when determining license requirements.

Your friend in the grading business is correct. If he doesn't cross state lines, he falls under the jurisdiction of the state DOT regulations. However. these almost always mirror the federal rules. If the gcw ratings of his rigs exceed 26,000#, then a CDL would be required. Whether it's a class A or B would be determined by the GVWR of the trailer.

[Manicmechnic]

I agree Talk to DMV, RMV, DOT or public safety and document everything whom you talk to and their authority so it don't come back to haunt you. If you're in doubt about whether you need to document your actions or conversations, keep track of it. It just might help you solve a big problem down the road. And and remember to keep with your registration and a copy at home.

[Manicmechnic]

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