Christocrats trying to sneak their BS into schools here.

[Fozzy]

The Christocrats have started to do their best to insert themselves and their religious based idiocy into the local schools here..

They obviously are banking on the fact that the parents are apathetic morons and do not know that this is a blatant attempt to insert religion into the schools on the governments dime. This is one of those topics where the President and I butt heads on. Using "faith based" organizations to feed and clothe the poor or to clean up the adult drug addicts and such is fine. The attempt at infiltrating the schools is pure BS!

P.S. if you are going to try and sneak this into the schools, you might want to name it something than AGAPE...

http://www.jewsonfirst.org/sex-ed.html

[ssoutlaw]

The Christocrats have started to do their best to insert themselves and their religious based idiocy into the local schools here..

They obviously are banking on the fact that the parents are apathetic morons and do not know that this is a blatant attempt to insert religion into the schools on the governments dime. This is one of those topics where the President and I butt heads on. Using "faith based" organizations to feed and clothe the poor or to clean up the adult drug addicts and such is fine. The attempt at infiltrating the schools is pure BS!

P.S. if you are going to try and sneak this into the schools, you might want to name it something than AGAPE...

http://www.jewsonfirst.org/sex-ed.html

Did you read the article you linked to? I don't see as how teaching abstinence would be wrong coming from a religious or secular stand point. If its good enough for you for the drug addicts and feeding and clothing the poor why would it be wrong in this case. I see you or your son have been in the military and as you know this country you have fought for was founded on religious freedom and beliefs, so whats wrong with this picture. Everyone has the right to reject religion and learning about it will never hurt anyone!! Most people are never happy unless the have something to B@#ch about!!

[Windwalker]

No matter what you teach for sex-education, there will ALWAYS be a few students that are going to try it. Probably a lot like Fozzy, they won't believe anything unless they can experience it themselves.

[Fozzy]

The main point being that they are supposedly teaching sex education when that is not what they are doing. Teaching abstinence is fine if it is part of the whole picture and other issues are taught. Look up the history of the group and unless you are a flat earth moron, you can understand what this is. There is no way that a group calling itself AGAPE can be separated from religion. My daughter is not taking part in this BS, and she will be forced into detention for not going. This is also being offered in her Spanish Class, not health, not P.E.

And feeding bums who are adults is a totally different issue than indoctrinating children under the guise of "teaching".

[golfhobo]

The Hobo Compromise:

Sex Ed classes should be dropped entirely. They get enough of that on T.V.

Public schools should require equal credit hours in both Health Ed, and Religious Ed.

Teach all about the STD's, abortion issues, and whatever in Health class and follow an "approved" curriculum.

Teach about ALL religions, with an honest appraisal of the proof or lack thereof in Religion class.

Health teachers MUST have a science degree, and Religion teachers MUST be agnostics.

Parents and preachers should be responsible for teaching the benefits of abstinence.

Schools should start teaching such mundane topics as Reading, Riting, and Rithmatic!

If the government wants to spend our money on moral messages, they should advertise on MTV or other stupid programs kids can't get enough of! It's a proven fact, any message taught in school WILL be ignored anyway!

[Fozzy]

Did you read the article you linked to?

Why else would I have posted it?

I don't see as how teaching abstinence would be wrong coming from a religious or secular stand point.

That's your problem. If you cannot see the difference is teaching abstinence other than making some flying spaghetti monster mad, then your part of the problem rather than the salution.

If its good enough for you for the drug addicts and feeding and clothing the poor why would it be wrong in this case.

The feds wanted to help people on the local level in areas where there was no federal programs in place. Locals helping locals is the idea behind this. There are already teachers in the schools who can teach health related subjects. Offering our children up to religious mumbo jumbo is not the same thing.

I see you or your son have been in the military and as you know this country you have fought for was founded on religious freedom and beliefs, so whats wrong with this picture.

Exactly, the country was founded on religious freedoms, you can attend the church of your choice and indoctrinate yourself to whatever you want to. This is not the same thing as inserting a religious program into the schools under the guise of health education. If this were some pagan or Jewish program, can you honestly say that there would be acceptance from Christian groups?

Everyone has the right to reject religion and learning about it will never hurt anyone!!

If my children are going to be force fed religion, its not going to be at a public school. And again, if this were about some other religion, I'll bet that you'd have a huge problem with it.


Most people are never happy unless the have something to B@#ch about!!

Yeah, Like the "gay" teletubbie and the evil satanic carebears.

[golfhobo]

They obviously are banking on the fact that the parents are apathetic morons

Well... Fozzy, you CERTAINLY can't be accused of being apathetic! :wink:

Just kidding!

One point though, before this gets out of hand. I'm not sure everyone understood your point that they are NOT just teaching abstinence... they are teaching abstinence ONLY! i.e. NO education on contraception - which is why some get upset. If, children FAIL to follow the teachings of abstinence, and are NOT taught contraception, they will not only be subjecting themselves to unwanted pregnancies... but ALSO STD's!

Now.... did you say this was being taught in SPANISH class???? :shock:

One of two things is going on here. Either Spanish classes are full of Mexican immigrants because it's an easy "A"... in which case this is RACIST (to assume THEY are the only ones who need this)

Or... the government is too stupid to realize that Mexican immigrants don't NEED Spanish classes!

[Sheepdancer]

Cool....Im a Christocrat. I like that. Too bad I cant fit it on my licence plate or it would be there tomorrow.

As far as public schools....honestly, I dont really care about them or what they teach. I just dont lose any sleep over it. Its really a non issue for me. I send my kids to private Christian schools.
However, I would love to get a huge tax write off for sending my kids to Private school. Being that I dont care about public schools, I dont use public schools so I dont think I should have to PAY for public schools. However, as long as I am paying taxes towards public schools although Im not using them, I will continue to try to force my "Christocrat" ideology.

[golfhobo]

If that doesn't work out for you, Sheepdancer, you can always join the Taliban.

They could use a few more "moral enforcers."

[yoopr]

And Exactly what does this have to do with Trucking? The Topic for this section is Anything and Everything Truck Related.

All you're trying to do is Inflame and Doth Protesteth Too Much

[ssoutlaw]

Did you read the article you linked to?

Why else would I have posted it?

I don't see as how teaching abstinence would be wrong coming from a religious or secular stand point.

That's your problem. If you cannot see the difference is teaching abstinence other than making some flying spaghetti monster mad, then your part of the problem rather than the salution.

If its good enough for you for the drug addicts and feeding and clothing the poor why would it be wrong in this case.

The feds wanted to help people on the local level in areas where there was no federal programs in place. Locals helping locals is the idea behind this. There are already teachers in the schools who can teach health related subjects. Offering our children up to religious mumbo jumbo is not the same thing.

I see you or your son have been in the military and as you know this country you have fought for was founded on religious freedom and beliefs, so whats wrong with this picture.

Exactly, the country was founded on religious freedoms, you can attend the church of your choice and indoctrinate yourself to whatever you want to. This is not the same thing as inserting a religious program into the schools under the guise of health education. If this were some pagan or Jewish program, can you honestly say that there would be acceptance from Christian groups?

Everyone has the right to reject religion and learning about it will never hurt anyone!!

If my children are going to be force fed religion, its not going to be at a public school. And again, if this were about some other religion, I'll bet that you'd have a huge problem with it.


Most people are never happy unless the have something to B@#ch about!!

Yeah, Like the "gay" teletubbie and the evil satanic carebears.

You really have a problem with religion. Just for a second lets say religion is fake for your sake, with all that religion teaches, morals, love for one another and so on what would be wrong living ones life like this. I remember when my youngest daughter was in grade school they had religious education class in her public school and people who wanted this class were allowed to and the ones that didn't want to were not forced to participate. I can say this there were fewer kids who didn't go and more that wanted to attend. I don't like the idea that these rights are being snuffed out like people like you. We have rights just like you. Not everyone can afford private christian schools so offering something in schools like this should be a right that you can not take away from us. I don't believe any public school forces religion in school so If you want to deprive your daughter from every teaching you don't agree with then you are forcing her to have the narrow minded attitude you have. Education is the key then everyone from there adapts their own decision. They see more on TV and you probably don't monitor her there. I do not wish to argue further with you, have a nice day.

[ssoutlaw]

And Exactly what does this have to do with Trucking? The Topic for this section is Anything and Everything Truck Related.

All you're trying to do is Inflame and Doth Protesteth Too Much

Your right Yoopr this has nothing to do with trucking maybe we need a forum for this...lol

[golfhobo]

And Exactly what does this have to do with Trucking? The Topic for this section is Anything and Everything Truck Related.

All you're trying to do is Inflame and Doth Protesteth Too Much

Yoopr:

I can't tell if this response was meant for ME, or the original poster, but without taking offense, I'll answer.

1) I was told by other (lesser?) Mods that THIS was the subforum for discussing politics, religion and other controversial subjects.

2) Look at your answer, then look at the Forum heading. You seem to have left out the word "Driver." We are all Truck DRIVERS, and as such, have kids in school, representatives in government, crime in our neighborhoods, etc....

Therefore, I can't think of any topic that would NOT be related to us in some way. We have a community of posters here who like to discuss things OTHER than JUST trucking. It would be a crime to make us all find another forum to do so, and have to invite all our friends here to go there for the discussion.

Seems to me that this subforum could be just done away with based on your logic. Anything and Everything TRUCKING related can go in the Newbies forum.

Have a nice day.... and keep your finger off the button!!

[ssoutlaw]

Cool....Im a Christocrat. I like that. Too bad I cant fit it on my licence plate or it would be there tomorrow.

As far as public schools....honestly, I dont really care about them or what they teach. I just dont lose any sleep over it. Its really a non issue for me. I send my kids to private Christian schools.
However, I would love to get a huge tax write off for sending my kids to Private school. Being that I dont care about public schools, I dont use public schools so I dont think I should have to PAY for public schools. However, as long as I am paying taxes towards public schools although Im not using them, I will continue to try to force my "Christocrat" ideology.

I don't think it should be forced, but given the same consideration as everything else.

[Sheepdancer]

You know if the founding fathers wanted sex education in schools.....they would have had sex education in schools back then.

On thats same note, if the founding fathers didnt want prayer in school, their kids wouldnt have had prayer in school...WHICH THEY DID.

The point was this, Hobo....I dont need to join the Taliban....Im happy to not push my "Christian Agenda" on public schools WHEN I NO LONGER HAVE TO PAY FOR THEM. I dont ask you to pay for my kids Christian schools. The way I see it, since Im paying for them just like you,I own part of them. So I should have an equal say in what they teach.

[golfhobo]

ssoutlaw said:

I don't like the idea that these rights are being snuffed out like people like you.

Your right Yoopr this has nothing to do with trucking maybe we need a forum for this.

I don't think it should be forced, but given the same consideration as everything else.

What RIGHTS do you refer to? You have no constitutional right to have religion taught in your public schools.

The PUBLIC school system is not the right "forum" for teaching Christian morals, either. That's what churches and parents are for.

Religion classes are O.K. as an "elective." That would fall under the Liberal Arts part of the curriculum. But, health classes should be science based. They are about teaching about the body, its 'biological' functions - such as the human sex drive, and diseases and how they are contracted.

However, I would have no objection to one simple statement at the beginning of each class relating to such that, "The best way to avoid the consequences, is to avoid the act."

That is factual.... not moral.

[golfhobo]

You know if the founding fathers wanted sex education in schools.....they would have had sex education in schools back then.

I agree with you on this. I think they felt that sex education should be handled at HOME. Wish that it still was! But, reproduction science and communicable diseases are part of HEALTH issues. I think equal and minimal coverage should be given to ALL methods of "contraceiving" pregnancy and disease. No more... no less.

On that same note, if the founding fathers didnt want prayer in school, their kids wouldnt have had prayer in school...WHICH THEY DID.

Hmm.... I might have to do some research here. Let's not confuse the Puritan settlers and their church based schooling of their children with the establishment (whenever it was) of the tax based, PUBLIC school system in America. Like I said, I'm not sure, but I have a feeling that from the inception of the Cabinet level administration of the Public School System, prayer was NOT part of it. I sure don't remember it when I was growing up. If it was?? It was unconstitutional!

The point was this, Hobo....I dont need to join the Taliban....Im happy to not push my "Christian Agenda" on public schools WHEN I NO LONGER HAVE TO PAY FOR THEM. I dont ask you to pay for my kids Christian schools. The way I see it, since Im paying for them just like you,I own part of them. So I should have an equal say in what they teach.

And since you don't use public transportation, but you help pay for it, you get to insist on the routes or decor of the buses, trains, subways? Will you want to force prayer on public buses? Mandate a cross on at least ONE wall of all public housing? Dictate that ONLY Christian gods can be prayed to in foxholes?

You didn't say earlier "I should have an equal say." You said, "I will continue to try to FORCE my "Christocrat" IDEOLOGY."

Since I have to pay equally for our military forces, can I FORCE my ideology of PEACE?? INSIST on which wars we can fight and which not?

Forcing our children to be taught the morality of abstinence ONLY as the state supported method of contraception, is not such a huge leap from the Taliban stoning women who commit adultery.

Besides, being a Conservative, I can't imagine why you wouldn't support anything and everything that reduces the number of unwanted children. Unless your Moral ambition outweighs your Common sense.

[yoopr]

1) I was told by other (lesser?) Mods that THIS was the subforum for discussing politics, religion and other controversial subjects.

Keep your little Cheap comments to yourself

[golfhobo]

1) I was told by other (lesser?) Mods that THIS was the subforum for discussing politics, religion and other controversial subjects.

Keep your little Cheap comments to yourself

You're right, Yoopr. That was kinda a cheap shot! I apologize. Sometimes the Devil just gets away with my sense of humor!

But, you really need to get you one of them superhero costumes for your avatar!

[Sheepdancer]

"What students would learn in American schools above all is the religion of Jesus Christ." - George Washington in a speech to the Delaware Indian Chiefs May 12, 1779.

MAN....if that isnt enough to make a liberals skin crawl, I dont know what is. Just think about it...George Washington telling Indians that all kids should be taught Christianity in schools.


"It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and Bible." - George Washington
Wow...he used the word "impossible". I would think he was strongly opinionated about it.

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." - John Adams

Damn those pesky Founding fathers....mixing religion with the Constitution!

"The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity." - John Adams

These few quotes only took a few minutes of my time. If i wasnt at work and had more time, I could find 100s of others.
Remember the words "SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE" are no where in the Constitution. Our fouding fathers were very much 'PRO CHRISTIAN MORALITY" in our Gov. But what the Founding fathers did agree on is that you have the RIGHT to disagree with them. What you libs will never be able to do is change history.