Okay, I liked this... in a weird sort of way

[Consider]

[color=green]Mack, there weren't Iraqis among the terrorists on 9/11. Did you see the movie Syriana? It raises the question of whether Americans had sold the bomb that was driven into the Cole to the terrorists.

"They" can be a very misleading word.

No I have not see the movie Syriana nether do I want to.

And there might not have been Iraqis among the terrorist but they did find terrorist training camps over in Iraq.

And by the way I have been to not this war though but the first I was there oh and I killed a couple of Iraqis while I was over there but they killed my best friend and shot me in the leg.

Hi Mack,

I can understand what you went through, and I'm sorry you had to go through it. I can understand why you killed them. I'm so sorry they killed your friend.

Although I don't agree with killing, I've killed, too.

http://health-boundaries-bite.com/Bo.../Cisneros.html

I can understand all different ways that it can happen.

I've tried about 6 or 7 times to get this to be right, color wise, and if this still doesn't do it...
well, I don't know what else to try.

[Consider]

So she was banned, WHY?
Now look I didn't much like the way she went about things either. But she didn't call anyone names, she posted her thoughts "As do we all", it just happend to be polotics and war.
She was using a certain set of questions to entrap a person! This has happend befor, and that person and person's did not get banned! :?

She placed a thread and wanted to talk, we all responded. and within a few post we all new what she was! And still we discussed with her!
I kept up with this thread since day one, and did not post untill I felt like I needed to. She had a diffrent view, even if it was wierd, and probly just wanted to argue. Arn't we all to blame for this action, of just wanting to argue? YES.
Some to make a point, and some to just argue!
Some get out of hand, and it is usualy when the personal attacks happen. So they get locked down, I am even in this catagory.

So my question is Why did she get banned? Was it because she had a diffrent view, and wanted to express it? If this is the case then Myself, Fozzy, Alagator, OTR, RoadHog, Yooper, LittleMan, Mr.Bighead, Scoe, Twilight Flyer, Rocky, ChappChapp, Mandoka, WindWalker, Mack, AFF, Skywalker, and ETC, would all need to be banned.

We have all had out arguments whether with one or the other, and with differing opinions, Not to mention with plenty of name calling!

So after this, I assume she wasn't banned for this action, so the question is WHY was she banned?


Curious?
Slimland

Thank you.

Very much.

I appear to be able to post again.

But even before I could post again as Consider, I read your post and was thankful for it.

Not just for me, but in the bigger picture... in the freedom of speech type picture.

[Bunny]

Thanks Mom

I know where Saddam is being Held-Wonder what that's worth :P

I'll pay for the bullet.

[MACK]

[color=green]Mack, there weren't Iraqis among the terrorists on 9/11. Did you see the movie Syriana? It raises the question of whether Americans had sold the bomb that was driven into the Cole to the terrorists.

"They" can be a very misleading word.

No I have not see the movie Syriana nether do I want to.

And there might not have been Iraqis among the terrorist but they did find terrorist training camps over in Iraq.

And by the way I have been to not this war though but the first I was there oh and I killed a couple of Iraqis while I was over there but they killed my best friend and shot me in the leg.

Hi Mack,

I can understand what you went through, and I'm sorry you had to go through it. I can understand why you killed them. I'm so sorry they killed your friend.

Although I don't agree with killing, I've killed, too.

http://health-boundaries-bite.com/Bo.../Cisneros.html

I can understand all different ways that it can happen.

I've tried about 6 or 7 times to get this to be right, color wise, and if this still doesn't do it...
well, I don't know what else to try.

No I didn't kill out of anger I killed because I was odered to not because I wanted to or I killed to protect other soldiers or even freindly Iraqis.

[Slimland]

She is a crafty one. I tried to point out in the beginning of her thread that she was playing us,
and looking only to stir up trouble.
I read enough of her posts over at her PBS site, when she started
her obvious agenda to see she was minipulating and disrespectful to us,
and she did not exibit this behavior with her posts over there.

She thinks she is much smarter than any Truck driver, and has no regard
what so ever for our Military.

Personally, I would have not cared if she wished to discuss opposing
views of any politics, but she felt it was necessary to be evil and crafty in
her methods, and deliberately push peoples buttons and create a no win
senerio. Her gain was to entertain herself...not to express views.

I AM GLAD SHE WAS BANNED..!!
I WILL ALSO RECOGNIZE HER IF SHE EVER TRYS TO COME BACK. :shock:

here is the thread she posted talking about yoopr over at her nesting grounds.

"Consider"the minipulator here

"for" those visiters from PBS coming to check her story out over here
please know we welcome visiter's, and ask you to look at how she behaved with us, and you be the judge.
If you don't see her as offensive and disrespectful, then I'll eat my computer whole. :?

So she was banned, WHY?
Now look I didn't much like the way she went about things either. But she didn't call anyone names, she posted her thoughts "As do we all", it just happend to be polotics and war.
She was using a certain set of questions to entrap a person! This has happend befor, and that person and person's did not get banned! :?

She placed a thread and wanted to talk, we all responded. and within a few post we all new what she was! And still we discussed with her!
I kept up with this thread since day one, and did not post untill I felt like I needed to. She had a diffrent view, even if it was wierd, and probly just wanted to argue. Arn't we all to blame for this action, of just wanting to argue? YES.
Some to make a point, and some to just argue!
Some get out of hand, and it is usualy when the personal attacks happen. So they get locked down, I am even in this catagory.

So my question is Why did she get banned? Was it because she had a diffrent view, and wanted to express it? If this is the case then Myself, Fozzy, Alagator, OTR, RoadHog, Yooper, LittleMan, Mr.Bighead, Scoe, Twilight Flyer, Rocky, ChappChapp, Mandoka, WindWalker, Mack, AFF, Skywalker, and ETC, would all need to be banned.

We have all had out arguments whether with one or the other, and with differing opinions, Not to mention with plenty of name calling!

So after this, I assume she wasn't banned for this action, so the question is WHY was she banned?


Curious?
Slimland

Don't know why you think He/She is Banned. She/He does use multible Nicks though.
Chill

I am chill Yooper, I was questioning because of the post above, that said she was banned!!!!
As for multiple Nicks, I have no knowlege of this, I am not trying to do your job, niether would I want it. Maybe I had jumped the gun, I was just responding to the news that Roadhog put that she was banned! Sorry 8)

[Slimland]

So she was banned, WHY?
Now look I didn't much like the way she went about things either. But she didn't call anyone names, she posted her thoughts "As do we all", it just happend to be polotics and war.
She was using a certain set of questions to entrap a person! This has happend befor, and that person and person's did not get banned! :?

She placed a thread and wanted to talk, we all responded. and within a few post we all new what she was! And still we discussed with her!
I kept up with this thread since day one, and did not post untill I felt like I needed to. She had a diffrent view, even if it was wierd, and probly just wanted to argue. Arn't we all to blame for this action, of just wanting to argue? YES.
Some to make a point, and some to just argue!
Some get out of hand, and it is usualy when the personal attacks happen. So they get locked down, I am even in this catagory.

So my question is Why did she get banned? Was it because she had a diffrent view, and wanted to express it? If this is the case then Myself, Fozzy, Alagator, OTR, RoadHog, Yooper, LittleMan, Mr.Bighead, Scoe, Twilight Flyer, Rocky, ChappChapp, Mandoka, WindWalker, Mack, AFF, Skywalker, and ETC, would all need to be banned.

We have all had out arguments whether with one or the other, and with differing opinions, Not to mention with plenty of name calling!

So after this, I assume she wasn't banned for this action, so the question is WHY was she banned?


Curious?
Slimland

Thank you.

Very much.

I appear to be able to post again.

But even before I could post again as Consider, I read your post and was thankful for it.

Not just for me, but in the bigger picture... in the freedom of speech type picture.

Your welcome, BUT I did not question this, just for your benifit. It was the resoning behind it, the reckoning! I do believe in freedom of speach, but this is a private owned board from what I understand! and I have no power here, nor would I want it!
Just about everyone here I agree with, and ALL of them I feel are friends. And As friends I can argue and debate with them. So I understand the way they feel when someone who has the mindset like you do, comes in here and throws thoughts around like they are fact, without backing it up, or actualy having a discussion with some give and take.
You are not the first!!
There has been ONE, who disagrees with most, with whome you are arguing with, Jerimiah who is canadian and he too disagrees, there are a few more, BUT they show Respect--and therfor when they speak they are listen to, and yes argued with,But with respect.
You have shown a little respect,But have not taking another view in, and you spout libralistic Ideas like they are fact, What was the pourpouse of this? was it just to cause dissension? if that is the case, you need to fix this, if it was not, then you need to listen also.


this was written with sincerity, and respect. This is what I mean!

Slimland

[Scoe]

She has not been banned here but she will be if she continues to post under different names without identifying herself as such. Why are you posting as Consider and as Hummingbird? Pick one log on and stick with it as per TOS.

[Roadhog]

WELLLLLLLL....now I guess I must explain myself.

CONSIDER claimed she was banned....NOT me. I went on HER words. She also started a thread over at PBS claiming how she was banned, and was taking post material from here over there.

I also SAW her sneaking around as Hummingbird....so I FLUSHED her out, by simply letting her know...I'd recognize her if she came sniffing around under another name. :shock: There were a couple other posts under the name Hummingbird that were subsequently deleted. When I flushed her out...then she switched over to her green ink and revealed herself. Like I really care anyway.

IF she were truely Banned, as she claimed at the time, and led me and many others to believe....I simply felt...look this current action of coming back as someone else to ad a favorable vote to her poll, and give support to HERSELF under another name!!!....is only further deception. This practice of decieving people I picked up on, early on. Different name...but same modus operandi.

I simply call her on what I saw, and made that clear. I saw her disrespectful and deceptive, and her intendtions not honorable. I stick my neck out in front of everyone to point this out, and thats because I felt it was important. It had NOTHING to do with free speech, or dislikeing someone who has an opposing viewpoint, or anything as shallow as me not liking her for her politics. I would apologise if I am found wrong. I would NOT have even bothered to voice my regards to this if I didn't give it full consideration, and claim any accusations against anyone.

If I say no and you say yes...y'all know me well enough by now, to know I am not gonna fling accusations against you for that, and wanna see you run off. When someone does something deliberate to hurt people here, I leave it up to them to work it out. What I saw going on was being kept up and kept up.

In this case I saw a friend getting his buttons pushed on purpose. Then I saw a friend get deeply insulted on purpose. What would you have me do...when you know I am standing there watching this happen?

I said my piece then, I said my piece earlier this morning, and I'm saying my piece now. Think of me as you will...but give it some consideration please. I gave Consider plenty of mine, before I jumped to any conclusions. I didn't level my opinions until I gave it thought, and proper respect.

If she stops her BS games and treats people in a decent manner...then good for her. Otherwise, like I said...I'll be happy to see someone like this hit the bricks and look for trouble elsewhere.

Slim...sorry to have offended you. You know I care about you like a brother. I went on Considers claim she was banned. And as far as any of that goes, I had nothing to do with any of that anyway, and knew no more about it than you. Ever notice how negative people can cause so much hurt and damage so easily? I was very simply trying to level the playing field early on. I am not a good referee, but it's not in my job discription. I am a friend though, and I will stick up for my friends if I feel I need to, and right or wrong, that is my freedom from deceit.

[yoopr]

y'all know me well enough by now,

What's up with the "Ya'll" from You? :P
Anyway-Negative attention is better than no attention and that's what he/she got.

Have no clue where this banning thing came from.

[Roadhog]

I was a Texican once...and that was improper TexMex. :shock:

...Y'all is singular.
...ALL Y'all is plural. .....A?

Oh yew betcha by yumpin' yimminy yickets, by yolly...A? ...ya. :?

[yoopr]

Oh yew betcha by yumpin' yimminy yickets, by yolly...A?

That's better cept for the yimminy yickets thing. That's over the Top.
I'm Swedish and now I'm Mad :P

[Consider]

No I didn't kill out of anger I killed because I was odered to not because I wanted to or I killed to protect other soldiers or even freindly Iraqis.

I didn't kill out of anger either.

I just didn't want to have the baby when he was already coming on to another woman. I didn't tell him I was pregnant. I heard about an excellent clinic in Mexico City, and I went there. It was during the olympics that were held there.

I don't know if you read the letter I wrote incorporating some of that experience.

[Consider]

Your welcome, BUT I did not question this, just for your benifit. It was the resoning behind it, the reckoning! I do believe in freedom of speach, but this is a private owned board from what I understand! and I have no power here, nor would I want it!
Just about everyone here I agree with, and ALL of them I feel are friends. And As friends I can argue and debate with them. So I understand the way they feel when someone who has the mindset like you do, comes in here and throws thoughts around like they are fact, without backing it up, or actualy having a discussion with some give and take.
You are not the first!!
There has been ONE, who disagrees with most, with whome you are arguing with, Jerimiah who is canadian and he too disagrees, there are a few more, BUT they show Respect--and therfor when they speak they are listen to, and yes argued with,But with respect.
You have shown a little respect,But have not taking another view in, and you spout libralistic Ideas like they are fact, What was the pourpouse of this? was it just to cause dissension? if that is the case, you need to fix this, if it was not, then you need to listen also.


this was written with sincerity, and respect. This is what I mean!

Slimland

Yes, that was what I thought you meant. I thought you were speaking generally. I think that's why it struck me as so powerful. You weren't on an agenda, you were ... I'm reminded of when my son was little, maybe three, or not quite, and I would read him The Three Little Kittens: Lost their mittens and they began to cry.

We had a picture book, and my son would always say, "Where's mummy's mittens?" He wanted it to be totally fair.

Okay, so I wasn't able to post, but then you wrote the thoughtful thing that you did, and I was able to post again.

I didn't mean to be disrespectful. I don't know what I wrote that was disrespectful.

I just was saying what I think.

When I posted the video I did it because when I saw it at the pbs forum I wanted to share it. I think I posted it at eBay too, but I can't remember.

I liked it and I wanted to share it. I didn't like it the way I like beautiful or fun songs. I liked it because it made me think, quickly, about many things.



I've got to tell you -- I am WAY amazed that someone else besides me (Consider and Hummingbird) voted that they were thinking about it.

Thank you again. (Oh, I don't mean for the vote, I have no idea how you voted... I mean for writing the question that you did, in your "chill" fashion.)

Oh, you may find this interesting or amusing... but if you have a chance, when you are with someone who is very diplomatic, take a look at their thumbs... most likely they will have "waists" on their thumbs, that's a sort of hour glass shape between the knuckles.

On the other hand, people who are very blunt tend to have sort of uniformly fat thumbs.

Guess which type of thumbs I have...

[Consider]

She has not been banned here but she will be if she continues to post under different names without identifying herself as such. Why are you posting as Consider and as Hummingbird? Pick one log on and stick with it as per TOS.

Oh, when I couldn't post in this forum and I couldn't get my private messages to send, I wanted to reply to people and so I went and used my Yahoo email address that comes with my web hosting.

I chose Hummingbird because I suspected that Bunny was Yoopr assuming another identity to express a different perspective.

but, I really have no idea.

Since I never check my email at Yahoo, in fact when I was there setting this up, I found two really nice emails from May, I will stick with Consider.

I'm too huge and slow to be Hummingbird. Though it was fun for the time.



Thank you.

[Consider]

WELLLLLLLL....now I guess I must explain myself.

CONSIDER claimed she was banned....NOT me. I went on HER words. She also started a thread over at PBS claiming how she was banned, and was taking post material from here over there.

I also SAW her sneaking around as Hummingbird....

Okay, I'm laughing too hard to go on reading...

How the heck did you SEE me sneaking around as Hummingbird?

I just so want to know how you SAW me????????

[Consider]

Oh yew betcha by yumpin' yimminy yickets, by yolly...A?

That's better cept for the yimminy yickets thing. That's over the Top.
I'm Swedish and now I'm Mad :P

I used to look Swedish.

[Jackrabbit379]

Swedish have a distinctive look? :shock: Awww. How Sweed. :shock: :P

[Consider]

Swedish have a distinctive look? :shock: Awww. How Sweed. :shock: :P

LOL

Totally loved it!!!!!!!!

[Roadhog]

Okay, I'm laughing too hard to go on reading...How the heck did you SEE me sneaking around as Hummingbird?
I just so want to know how you SAW me????????

I have SPY WARE?

I'm a hunter, and it is getting close to fall hunting season. My insticts are getting sharper day by day. Birds are easy...if you would have chosen to be a Whitetail Buck...I probably would have only saw signs of you...maybe HEARD you at best, but not see you. :P

[Slimland]

WELLLLLLLL....now I guess I must explain myself.

CONSIDER claimed she was banned....NOT me. I went on HER words. She also started a thread over at PBS claiming how she was banned, and was taking post material from here over there.

I also SAW her sneaking around as Hummingbird....so I FLUSHED her out, by simply letting her know...I'd recognize her if she came sniffing around under another name. :shock: There were a couple other posts under the name Hummingbird that were subsequently deleted. When I flushed her out...then she switched over to her green ink and revealed herself. Like I really care anyway.

IF she were truely Banned, as she claimed at the time, and led me and many others to believe....I simply felt...look this current action of coming back as someone else to ad a favorable vote to her poll, and give support to HERSELF under another name!!!....is only further deception. This practice of decieving people I picked up on, early on. Different name...but same modus operandi.

I simply call her on what I saw, and made that clear. I saw her disrespectful and deceptive, and her intendtions not honorable. I stick my neck out in front of everyone to point this out, and thats because I felt it was important. It had NOTHING to do with free speech, or dislikeing someone who has an opposing viewpoint, or anything as shallow as me not liking her for her politics. I would apologise if I am found wrong. I would NOT have even bothered to voice my regards to this if I didn't give it full consideration, and claim any accusations against anyone.

If I say no and you say yes...y'all know me well enough by now, to know I am not gonna fling accusations against you for that, and wanna see you run off. When someone does something deliberate to hurt people here, I leave it up to them to work it out. What I saw going on was being kept up and kept up.

In this case I saw a friend getting his buttons pushed on purpose. Then I saw a friend get deeply insulted on purpose. What would you have me do...when you know I am standing there watching this happen?

I said my piece then, I said my piece earlier this morning, and I'm saying my piece now. Think of me as you will...but give it some consideration please. I gave Consider plenty of mine, before I jumped to any conclusions. I didn't level my opinions until I gave it thought, and proper respect.

If she stops her BS games and treats people in a decent manner...then good for her. Otherwise, like I said...I'll be happy to see someone like this hit the bricks and look for trouble elsewhere.

Slim...sorry to have offended you. You know I care about you like a brother. I went on Considers claim she was banned. And as far as any of that goes, I had nothing to do with any of that anyway, and knew no more about it than you. Ever notice how negative people can cause so much hurt and damage so easily? I was very simply trying to level the playing field early on. I am not a good referee, but it's not in my job discription. I am a friend though, and I will stick up for my friends if I feel I need to, and right or wrong, that is my freedom from deceit.

RoadHog you did not offend me one bit!!! I do not offend easy, and you brother, have never offended me. So no opology needed!

I was just throwing something out there if it was. :? 8)