Okay, I liked this... in a weird sort of way

[MichiganBlonde38]

Hey they have a sale on B12 at the Vitamin store

[Consider]

Hey they have a sale on B12 at the Vitamin store

I'll tell you, I'm with you on your quote,

"I'd rather be hated for who I am than loved for who I am NOT."

If you have lines/ridges on your fingernails, look for the Methylcobalamin kind at the vitamin store, it's a little less common, but it works vastly better.

Thanks for ending this on a positive note.

[Fozzy]

I did read them, and your link. In the link I noticed this line, "The women -- four or five of whom were pregnant -- and children appear to have been killed with a single small-caliber gunshot to the head."

I can't help but wonder, why do you think that is bad, if you think that it is all right for the American Army to bomb homes where pregnant women and children are, who have done nothing wrong.

Bombing areas where the enemy is is acceptable. And as for this "report" of pregnant women being shot with small caliber weapons in the backs of their heads... there are no small caliber weapons in the US Arsenal and the only one that is, is such a high velocity weapon that the heads would have been pretty much removed.

How is it bad for Saddam to kill women and children, and good for the United States to kill women and children?

I don't see how the same thing can be both good and bad.

This is the problem of the spoiled elitist in this and other countries. You cannot see any difference between the two.

Also, your signature caused me to stop and think, to wonder if your son felt loved, or if he put his life on the line to win your approval.

I don't think you'd care either way.

[Do you really think the army is a home for wayward boys? Do you think your son is wayward? and if he is wayward, do you think his life should be put at risk, possibly cut short? How will you feel if he is killed in Iraq or Afghanistan? Would it bother you if he died and Cheney was spending his millions completely oblivious of your son's sacrifice.

OOOH WOW! What a great thought out response... Why not just say something about his mother while you're at it! LOL!!!! He knows the risks and he took them, Just as I did, Just as my Father did. He joined up when there was an active war going on and he chose the Infantry (He's going to the 101st ABN BTW). The Cheney thing again is just OLD and silly and shows the desperation and immaturity of those on the left side of the political spectrum. When will you astound us by dragging up Rove or even Reagan? Nixon? Come on! You know you want too...

I don't know.

That's quite obvious...

I think you are confusing the wars. I think you are confusing Saddam with Hitler. To me, what the two men did is pretty different.

Again, you are being either being conveniently and selectively ignorant or you are just trying to get attention by making silly statements that are really beneath you... or anyone else for that matter

[Scoe]

It appears you came here to pick a fight, just as you denounce the war because YOU feel there will not be any winners, there are no winners in your fight either.

You don't like Bush, OK, we get it. YOU hate Cheney, we get it. Halliburton is evil. Big oil worships at the devils alter, we get it. You drink the NPR kool-aide without even stopping to taste it just as a ditto head would agree if Rush stated that we should nuke Ghana because they beat the US in world cup soccer.

Just be glad that, whether you like it or not, there are members of the military fighting for your very right to post that opinion.

Now, move on with the civil discussion or this will be locked as it is then an exercise in hopelessness.

[Windwalker]

[color=green]Have you thought about whether Blevins was even a good soldier to get his buddies killed like that?

Well, "CONSIDER", I would suggest that you actually CONSIDER... Have you ever had your "spirit" broken? Has anyone ever broken your WILL??? That's what that letter did to Blevins. And nearly every man on the front lines is subject to the same thing. Put yourself in their shoes just once.

You've been gone for more than a year. Your time is getting short. You're looking forward to getting married and a good future with someone that means more to you than anything else in the whole wide world. When the time is so short, you can even smell the pizza down at the corner... Then, suddenly, without any warning, the letter from your fiancee, that you've been waiting for tells you that you're entire world has nothing to revolve around anymore. He was not thinking of suicide or having anyone else killed. All he could realize was pain. I mean...PAIN!!!!

He was a good soldier or he would not have lasted as long as he did. And, do not try to degrade him. He's not here to defend himself.

And, locking this thread will not help "unCONSIDERate" attain any common sense.

[Windwalker]

On the other hand, I don't know if there is any hope for unCONSIDERate.

[MACK]

Consider answer me one question.

What would you have us do to win this war?

[Consider]

Consider answer me one question.

What would you have us do to win this war?

Hi Mack,
I think that if Rumsfeld had opted for a lot more troops in the beginning, that things might be different at this point.

But at this point the religious groups are fighting.

I was thinking of how it was someone from a different religion who killed Ghandi. A different religion from his. He was Hindi, I think.

In terms of the huge war, I think that we could maybe win if we didn't act so superior all the time, and if we didn't have so much wealth in the hands of so few. If we took seriously the lives of all people, not just the Bill Gates of the world, not just the "chosen people."

I remember dancing at The Bull's Eye, a "pub" in Monterey years ago when I was young. I accidentally bumped a black fellow and he said he should kill me. He said it as if he had a duty. I told him that I was friends with a black man and that my friend would be sad if he did that.

An observer later told me that the man had a gun.

What I mean is that "should" and "shouldn't" can be very tricky. Religion can be very tricky.

Friendship isn't tricky.

Of the posts on this thread, yours and roadhog's were the most different, at least the way I read them. Yet the two of you are friends.

Someone on one of the forums talked about Bush and that man who's the president of Iran (I can't spell his name) being like one doll with two different sides.

I don't know if you mean to win this debate, this discussion, but you've changed my feeling by your question.

Good luck to you.

[MACK]

Alright so you want more troops but how many do you want?

Also think about this the more troops that are over there the more casualties we will probably take.

[Consider]

Alright so you want more troops but how many do you want?

Also think about this the more troops that are over there the more casualties we will probably take.

I wasn't very clear, sorry.

I think it's too late for more troops.

Perhaps with negotiations and being friendly they could partition the country the way India was partitioned. Then each group would have their own land.

They are fighting about stuff that's totally off our radar. I don't know the difference between the two religious groups. All I know is I don't like to see mums, kids and grandpeople killed. I don't like to see our soldiers killed either. So I think someone who is bright and good should help them solve it so everyone gets some of what they need.

[yoopr]

It's not off MY Radar

[Consider]

It's not off MY Radar

What's the difference between the religions?

[Bunny]

Perhaps with negotiations and being friendly they could partition the country the way India was partitioned. Then each group would have their own land.



Who are we suppose to negotiate with? Those we are fighting in the war do not want lands nor are they from a particular country. They are from a mindset.. they want to make the world obey Muslim law as they see it. They have stated this quite clearly. So now tell me just how negotiation is suppose to work?

[Consider]

Perhaps with negotiations and being friendly they could partition the country the way India was partitioned. Then each group would have their own land.



Who are we suppose to negotiate with? Those we are fighting int he war do not want lands not are they from a particular country. They are from a mindset.. they want to make the world obey Muslim law as they see it. They have stated this quite clearly. So now tell me just how negotiation is suppose to work?

Hi Bunny, you have a dynamite signature.

Not really. The whole Kashmir thing is about land.

The Kurds would be fine if they had their own land.

I just don't understand the religious groups, the Sunnis and the other ones.

A part of this problem is that Israel was given the Palestinians' land to make up for what Germany did to the Jews. The Palestinians weren't too pleased. And the more we side with the Israelis, the more the people who like the Palestinians feel that we are extremely prejudiced.

It's not a lot different from the problem in Ireland. I lived in London when the IRA was active, and could hear the bombs go off in the West End from my home in Islington. Ireland was economic and religious: Catholic vs. Protestant.

[MACK]

Alright Consider what do you think would happen if we told those countries screw you and were going to blast the crap out of you just because we don't like you?

[Bunny]

Perhaps with negotiations and being friendly they could partition the country the way India was partitioned. Then each group would have their own land.



Who are we suppose to negotiate with? Those we are fighting int he war do not want lands not are they from a particular country. They are from a mindset.. they want to make the world obey Muslim law as they see it. They have stated this quite clearly. So now tell me just how negotiation is suppose to work?

Hi Bunny, you have a dynamite signature.

Not really. The whole Kashmir thing is about land.

The Kurds would be fine if they had their own land.

I just don't understand the religious groups, the Sunnis and the other ones.

A part of this problem is that Israel was given the Palestinians' land to make up for what Germany did to the Jews. The Palestinians weren't too pleased. And the more we side with the Israelis, the more the people who like the Palestinians feel that we are extremely prejudiced.

It's not a lot different from the problem in Ireland. I lived in London when the IRA was active, and could hear the bombs go off in the West End from my home in Islington. Ireland was economic and religious: Catholic vs. Protestant.

You are talking about three different issues.

The vying for power in Iraq which is not really a war just growing pains at this point. The US went through the same thing.

The Israel issue which come down to Isreael had some land Palestein tried to take it and Israel kick the crap out of them and took some more land.

And the War we are fighting globally with the main theaters in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Which one do you want to discuss further?

[Consider]

Alright Consider what do you think would happen if we told those countries screw you and were going to blast the crap out of you just because we don't like you?

I think that's what happened with Abu Graib and with the murders that have taken place there.

I think those things make them hate us.

I think it makes them want to do to us what we are doing to them.

[Consider]

Perhaps with negotiations and being friendly they could partition the country the way India was partitioned. Then each group would have their own land.



Who are we suppose to negotiate with? Those we are fighting int he war do not want lands not are they from a particular country. They are from a mindset.. they want to make the world obey Muslim law as they see it. They have stated this quite clearly. So now tell me just how negotiation is suppose to work?

Hi Bunny, you have a dynamite signature.

Not really. The whole Kashmir thing is about land.

The Kurds would be fine if they had their own land.

I just don't understand the religious groups, the Sunnis and the other ones.

A part of this problem is that Israel was given the Palestinians' land to make up for what Germany did to the Jews. The Palestinians weren't too pleased. And the more we side with the Israelis, the more the people who like the Palestinians feel that we are extremely prejudiced.

It's not a lot different from the problem in Ireland. I lived in London when the IRA was active, and could hear the bombs go off in the West End from my home in Islington. Ireland was economic and religious: Catholic vs. Protestant.

You are talking about three different issues.

The vying for power in Iraq which is not really a war just growing pains at this point. The US went through the same thing.

The Israel issue which come down to Isreael had some land Palestein tried to take it and Israel kick the crap out of them and took some more land.

And the War we are fighting globally with the main theaters in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Which one do you want to discuss further?

Am I?

Are you repeating the Rice rhetoric?

The Israel issue doesn't come down to Israel having some land Palistinians tried to take and got the crap kicked out of them... not at all.

The land belonged to the Palistinians, they had their families there and were living their lives there for centuries... then along comes Germany and exterminates millions of Jews and the world is pretty horrified, expecially when it finds out the Pope knew and was pretty silent. So after the war the powers get together and give the Jews the land with the Palistinians living on it... Does that seem fair to you?

So recently Israel starts attacking southern Lebanon. They pretend it's because of two soldiers, but several reports say they had it planned long before hand.

Israel wipes out the power plants, causes the most huge oil spill that ruined a large part of the coast, and several other things, and it found that Hezbollah began lobbing rockets pretty far into Israel.

On the last day before the ceasefire more rockets were lobbed in than on any other day.

People who had reserved support for Hezbollah were now massively in support of Hezbollah, after seeing what Israel did.

Most people agree that Hezbollah won. Rice doesn't, but then Rice lied about WMD.

[Slimland]

Am I?

Are you repeating the Rice rhetoric?

The Israel issue doesn't come down to Israel having some land Palistinians tried to take and got the crap kicked out of them... not at all.

The land belonged to the Palistinians, they had their families there and were living their lives there for centuries... then along comes Germany and exterminates millions of Jews and the world is pretty horrified, expecially when it finds out the Pope knew and was pretty silent. So after the war the powers get together and give the Jews the land with the Palistinians living on it... Does that seem fair to you?

So recently Israel starts attacking southern Lebanon. They pretend it's because of two soldiers, but several reports say they had it planned long before hand.

Israel wipes out the power plants, causes the most huge oil spill that ruined a large part of the coast, and several other things, and it found that Hezbollah began lobbing rockets pretty far into Israel.

On the last day before the ceasefire more rockets were lobbed in than on any other day.

People who had reserved support for Hezbollah were now massively in support of Hezbollah, after seeing what Israel did.

Most people agree that Hezbollah won. Rice doesn't, but then Rice lied about WMD.

[/quote]

The land belonged to the Palistinians, they had their families there and were living their lives there for centuries..

Didn't the Brits have controll of the land, Not the palastinians?

So recently Israel starts attacking southern Lebanon. They pretend it's because of two soldiers, but several reports say they had it planned long before hand.

Israel made it no mistry that they felt war was comming, so they prepared, On the other hand, Hezbola dug a hole in the ground all the way to where-ever the heck it was, sounds to me, that Hezbola was the aggressor!!!

Most people agree that Hezbollah won. Rice doesn't, but then Rice lied about WMD.[

Hzbola didn't win, Israel showed massive restraint to lessen the killing of inocents, UNLIKE Hezbola, who launches rockets into the middle of Israely citys. I think Israel should just wipe them off the map!!!!!! That keeps us from having to do it later!!!!!!!!!!!

[OverTheRoad]

Watch me stir this one up......

They want to kill us.... do you understand that Consider? They hate Christians... they hate the west. They want us dead, plain and simple. Its a religious thing.....
Now when the Little mad from Iran says in public that the USA must fall and the way to make them fall is through oil as it is the life blood of out economy, we have a problem. He and his followers need to die. We have to get them before they get us.
When it comes down to Israel fighting, they WIN. Hands down Israel will kick the living crap out of anyone that wants to play ball. GOD is helping Israel... its his people.

Figured since this discussion is all over the place I would just come in a snipe a religious comment.