Why is God so mean? I mean, to the people that don't believe? (again, I am not saying I don't believe)
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Why is God so mean? I mean, to the people that don't believe? (again, I am not saying I don't believe)
I have the same hope too Slimland. In a general sense I guess you could call us God's weathermen and trying to let others know of the approaching storm so they can seek shelter in God's grace. We are not trying to tell everyone exactly when it will hit, just that it is on the way and to be ready. I hope many will read this thread and take something good from it to further His kingdom.Originally Posted by Slimland
kimahri, this is a tough question you ask because it will open up to more than just non-believers. For example, many believers have suffered and still suffer for their testamony in Christ. It's not just unbelievers that suffer for their lack of belief. Present day suffering believers can be found in many third world countries where the Good News is not accepted or allowed because of existing belief. Saudi Arabia is one such country where anyone who believes in anything except Islam can face imprisonment, torture, and death.Originally Posted by kimahri1114
Some people ask why is God so mean at all. For example when a tragedy like the tsunami that killed thousands, 9-11 that killed thousands, or the murder/robbery of someone you know. I wish I had an answer to everything that happens but then I would probably still not understand it. But I will tell you this story and see if it helps answer your question.
I heard a story from a preacher who had seen this wonderful missionary from the jungles of South America. This one South American missionary was responsible for sharing the Good News of Christ with untold numbers of other South Americans bringing them to salvation. What was interesting about the story was how the missionary himself was saved.
You see he was in a tribe in the South American jungle when an American missionary came in to share the Gospel. The American missionary was slaughtered by the tribesmen. It was only after other American missionaries came to the tribe and finally made contact did this South American man know that he had murdered a messanger of God. He accepted Jesus and repented of his sins and then proceeded to share the Gospel with others in his tribe and in nearby tribes and then all over South America and the world.
Yes, the tribal man who murdered the first American missionary became a successful missionary himself. The preacher who told the story was the murdered American missionaries son! There is a movie out that I understand is based on a similar story. It's called "the End of the Spear."
What on the surface appeared to be a very mean action allowed by God turned out to be literal salvation for thousands of souls that may have never known the love of Jesus otherwise. What a testimony to the love and foregiveness Jesus stood for than for the murdered missionaries son to stand side by side with the murderer (in foregiveness) and both working to save others.
Sorry for the long post. In short, we don't always know why God allows some bad things to happen. To us it seems totally wrong or illogical. But God has His plan and it works to the benefit of all who love Him. Sometimes we see it in our lifetime. Sometimes we may not see it till we get to Heaven.
Hope that helps some.
That was excillent, God gave man and Angels free will, this can explain a-lote of what you see and hear. Wars and strif come about because of what we as the human race want's. Not relying on the giver of Life. It is a missplaced dependancy. Depending on other things to make you happy, when they are a temporary fix.Originally Posted by Redeemed
God does work His plan to benifit his believers, it might be a bad situation, but in the end it will benifit someone, therfor bringing Glory to God. The fall of man and expulsion from the garden, gave us the redemtion of Jesus Christ. The Law of God flows through man and kills him, but the gift of life through Jesus Christ is givin to man who believes. Soo forth and soo on.
So that bring the point of God not being mean, but man.
On the edge of sleep, I heard voices behind the door
The known and the nameless, familiar and faceless
My angels and my demons at war'
At war...
'Which one will lose depends on what I choose
Or maybe which voice I ignore...'
Wilderness of mirrors
Streets of cold desire
My precious sense of honor
Just a shield of rusty wire
I hold against the chaos
And the cross of holy fire
Wilderness of mirrors
So easy to deceive
My precious sense of rightness
Is sometimes so naive
So that which I imagine
Is that which I believe
RUSH
Originally Posted by Redeemed
Well spoken!!!
On the edge of sleep, I heard voices behind the door
The known and the nameless, familiar and faceless
My angels and my demons at war'
At war...
'Which one will lose depends on what I choose
Or maybe which voice I ignore...'
Wilderness of mirrors
Streets of cold desire
My precious sense of honor
Just a shield of rusty wire
I hold against the chaos
And the cross of holy fire
Wilderness of mirrors
So easy to deceive
My precious sense of rightness
Is sometimes so naive
So that which I imagine
Is that which I believe
RUSH
He isn't. Christians made the whole thing up when they assigned human characteristics to God.Originally Posted by kimahri1114
Brang it On!
Originally Posted by Aligator
Aligator gald you could stop by, but don't come in here attacking, thats not what this thread is for.
We did not assign human characturistics to God, "God mad man in His image and His likeness" So you are mistaken."Let US make man in Our Image" Thus the Holy Trininty Spoke to it self. It was an agreeinse between The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit.
This is a thread for prophecy not debate.
On the edge of sleep, I heard voices behind the door
The known and the nameless, familiar and faceless
My angels and my demons at war'
At war...
'Which one will lose depends on what I choose
Or maybe which voice I ignore...'
Wilderness of mirrors
Streets of cold desire
My precious sense of honor
Just a shield of rusty wire
I hold against the chaos
And the cross of holy fire
Wilderness of mirrors
So easy to deceive
My precious sense of rightness
Is sometimes so naive
So that which I imagine
Is that which I believe
RUSH
Heh, heh....Guy asked a question, I offered an answer in defense of God!. This irritates you?Originally Posted by Slimland
Brang it On!
Originally Posted by Aligator
I took offence to it yes. I am a Christian, if I went by what you said, that would mean that God hates non-believers, and I would have to support that. BUT that is not the case, God Loves non-believers also, therfor you are sterio typing Christians, by what a majority seems to think. Wich is not the case again God loves Non- believers also. Maybe I jumped the Gun, I will give you the benifit of the doubt and think you meant organized religion, if this is the point you where making then I will have to agree with you. But the way you put it is ALL Christians. That is why I got offended, that would put myself in that catagory and everyone else thats a Christian.
On the edge of sleep, I heard voices behind the door
The known and the nameless, familiar and faceless
My angels and my demons at war'
At war...
'Which one will lose depends on what I choose
Or maybe which voice I ignore...'
Wilderness of mirrors
Streets of cold desire
My precious sense of honor
Just a shield of rusty wire
I hold against the chaos
And the cross of holy fire
Wilderness of mirrors
So easy to deceive
My precious sense of rightness
Is sometimes so naive
So that which I imagine
Is that which I believe
RUSH
Slimland,
Going back to the end times topic let me ask you this question. Do you see any particular actions or events going on at this time that point to the time being at hand?
This question is kinda broad and I know in this thread we have already hit on things like Israel becoming a nation and the 9/11 attack. Do you see anything else happening that you would put in that same catagory? I have a few of my own but would like to hear yours.
I'll give it a shot. I'm not 100% on the whole middle east situation but I know that God said everything will revolve around Israel especially in the end times. Israel is in the news everyday about something or another.Originally Posted by Redeemed
The crazy weather thats going on around the world, 2005 was record setting in all categories. 2006 is starting off the same way. Some folk will say its a cycle, but everything that the bible talks about mostly in Matthew 24 is happening all at once, compared to previous generations.
The bible uses the word pestilence,, In truckdriver terms(lol) disease is running wild, increasing insect problems around the world..ect..
Dormant(sp?) volcanoes coming back to life around the world.
Apostacy, Other religions trying to "shut down" christians when it comes to Christ, when those other religions are okay.
I'm not sure where its found but the Bible talks about "people being lovers of their self" in the end times... Man, isn't that the truth nowdays.
This is probably a touchy subject for some, but the rise of the new world order. you can't do anything without being watched/tracked. Its all leading up to the rise of the anti-christ.
Theres some of my thought in a nutshell.
Originally Posted by Brotherman
Well I see quiet a few thing's to take into consideration. The above is already mention, so I wont have to put that down,"just makes it easier on my fingers lol".
I know befor the great and terrible day of the Lord "tribulation", there will be a sign of blood and smoke, This I believe was also attributed with 9-11, every eye seen it. Here's one in particular We have 2 asteroids that swing by the earth every 3 years, These 2 asteroids are actualy joined together "kinda looks like a dumb bell" any way the closest they ever come to earth was 2004, They say that the path of the big rock goes through the asteroid belt around mars, goes wherever it goes then returns through the asteroid belt back to earth. 2008 will be the next time it it comes by earth again, whose to say that when it goes through that belt again it don't get knocked around, get off course and hit earth. Just a thought.
here is a link to this story, also the name of the Asteroid is touatitis, there is other stories on this just use your search engins.
http://www.astrobio.net/news/modules...er=0%26thold=0
Mention above is the fact of people falling away "Apostasy" this word also means to defect, to defect from the truth, and to be removed. Thats good news, while some are rejecting Christ, Christ is removing His own.
The expansion of New age religions, which we know not to be new, but old sumerian, and babylonian beliefs.
Also and not to mention, it will be like the days of Noah, well what were the days of Noah like, they where Godless, not knowing God and not carring of who He is. Then we have as mention above the New world Order, the rising of the Holy Roman Empire, we know it as the European Union, the Original states of the union was exactly 10 countries. I believe I kindo expounded on this earlier at least in the spiritual.
I will say this, I truly believe that the seals have been opened, and the Four Angels holding the winds "4 horsmen" so they dont harm the earth yet, untill the servants of God are sealed "wich is the 144 thousand Jews", will soon be released, after the Rapture, but I think it will be mild at first, Cause I think there just might be a short period after the Rapture, until the Tribulation, the Tribulation will start when the covenant is made between the Antichrist and Isreal, then they shall say peace and safty, then sudden distruction.
Oh look at that, I got kinda off the subject of the question you asked Sorry.
Signs in the Sun and moon and heavens.
I think we are seeing these, the sun is sending out more burst than ever, the heavens we are learning more about and not to mention the chances of the Asteroids. They say Global Warming, bull crap, there is a Angel that is over the Sun who has Power to scorch men on earth, I think he's just getting ready.
So take your pick, and I am sure I have missed some.
Y'all let me know if this link works, if not just type toutitis in you search.
On the edge of sleep, I heard voices behind the door
The known and the nameless, familiar and faceless
My angels and my demons at war'
At war...
'Which one will lose depends on what I choose
Or maybe which voice I ignore...'
Wilderness of mirrors
Streets of cold desire
My precious sense of honor
Just a shield of rusty wire
I hold against the chaos
And the cross of holy fire
Wilderness of mirrors
So easy to deceive
My precious sense of rightness
Is sometimes so naive
So that which I imagine
Is that which I believe
RUSH
Man, Slimland and Brotherman you both hit on some major ones. Especially Brotherman on those that are lovers of themselves. I don't have my Bible handy but if my poor memory is right I thing you find that in 1st or 2nd Peter.
The first thing that hits me (other than what you two already listed) is the return of some countries to the world stage that were mighty kingdoms in past history. The European Union is fast approaching the original land size as the old Roman Empire and if Turkey ever gets into the EU then it will include the capital regions of both the old western empire (Rome) and the eastern empire that was run out of Constantinople (now Ankara, Turkey). I believe that the European Union will play a major role in end-time events as a revised Roman Empire.
Others countries now on the world stage are Iran (formerly Persia) and China which is quickly taking over the spot of the 2nd super-power from Russia. When I think of China I think of the passage in Revelation that refers to the "kings of the east" crossing the great rivers to join in the final battle. Clearly we have more "wars and rumors of wars" at this time than ever before except for just prior to World War II. But strange that the players starting to rise up at this point have histories going back into ancient history.
There are some other things that come to mind but I keep coming back to how the love of man has grown cold and how we have allowed good things to be called bad and vice versa. On average I don't see the human race as being more caring or concerned for each other. And there are too many examples to list of things that used to called bad and now are accepted. The language that is tolerated in public, radio, and television now compared to even 5 years ago is worse and that is just one example.
Just a couple of mine but there are more.
I stumbled across this, it takes some of the research out of current events... but its still a good read.
http://www.rapturealert.com/2006/012...screaming.html
I hope that I can find God soon because its coming!
Yes, we are the terminal genaration, it is comming we know the signs and the generation just not the time or day, that being said. I have got a question and a answer. Why do you think that the earth is doing what it is doing? Doesn't Peter say the world will rock and roll like a drunkerd, this will explain the polar ice caps changing, the scientist say our earth tilt is changing, this would explain all of these exspecialy in conjunction with the sun. The reson the earth is acting this way, is because unwillingly it has been subject to corruption that we humans have willingly subjected to it. Therfor like us in groans for the day of Redemtion. Just like us. I think that is so neat in it self.Originally Posted by Redeemed
Lets go to Revelations, and the Book of Daniel, those two go hand in hand. I think we need to talk about those things, because alot of people do not understand them.
I just woke up so my writing and thinking ability is not up to par. So I will get on here later, and see what has been said.
On the edge of sleep, I heard voices behind the door
The known and the nameless, familiar and faceless
My angels and my demons at war'
At war...
'Which one will lose depends on what I choose
Or maybe which voice I ignore...'
Wilderness of mirrors
Streets of cold desire
My precious sense of honor
Just a shield of rusty wire
I hold against the chaos
And the cross of holy fire
Wilderness of mirrors
So easy to deceive
My precious sense of rightness
Is sometimes so naive
So that which I imagine
Is that which I believe
RUSH
Here is another site that I belong to and where I have learned lots from:
http://www.raptureready.com/
I also like Jack Van Impe:
http://www.jvim.com/
Gotta go back and reread the posts before I respond to anything. Just kinda skimmed through them - had my 4 year old nephew this past weekend, not much time for myself :wink:
Originally Posted by kimahri1114
Believe in your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ died for your sins, Arose on the 3rd day to give you new life in Him. And you shall be saved. it is so simple, that the pharasis and saducees stumble at this. "The chief cornerstone, has become a rock of offense".
Jesus said " He that believes in Me, Even though he is dead, Yet shall he live"
What that means is we as people are dead spiritualy, when we believe in Christ we become alive through Him. because of His Ressurection. He forgave the whole world of there Sin, but there still dead, the new life is in Him. "Behold the Lamb of God, who takes away the Sin of the World"
" I will take away the old covenant, and give them a new covenant, not like the former that I gave them on mount sinia, with Mosses. The new covenant, I will be merciful, and there sins and lawless acts I will Remember no more"
Kammarri did you read what I asked you too?
On the edge of sleep, I heard voices behind the door
The known and the nameless, familiar and faceless
My angels and my demons at war'
At war...
'Which one will lose depends on what I choose
Or maybe which voice I ignore...'
Wilderness of mirrors
Streets of cold desire
My precious sense of honor
Just a shield of rusty wire
I hold against the chaos
And the cross of holy fire
Wilderness of mirrors
So easy to deceive
My precious sense of rightness
Is sometimes so naive
So that which I imagine
Is that which I believe
RUSH
......666 (# of the beast) = microchip?.....hmmmmmm.......
FORMER JARHEAD
You guys are having a good discussion about what can typically be a volatile subject. We appreciate that it is being handled calmly and cooly. That said, let me interject a couple of quick points to consider and spark more discussion.![]()
Israel became a state again in 1948, I believe, and scripture states that not a generation will go by before He returns. So how do you figure a generation? Is it 40 years as indicated in Psalms? Is it 78 years, as is the standard today? Is it hundreds of years, as compared to the general ages of many prophets in the Bible? No one has the answer there, but it's the cause of many debates. Regardless, the end (or the beginning, depending on how you view it) is probably quite near.
Regarding the Rapture, many Christians do not believe in the Rapture and believe that there is more scripture debunking the Rapture than there is supporting it. Food for thought, there.
Several times, I have heard mention that the key to everything is Israel. That point is indisputable. So, how about last week's bomb about Russia inviting Hamas up to talks in Moscow on their new government? Check out the Book of Ezekiel for how big that little invite could be.
Coming as a thief in the night is simply a reference to be prepared. In literal terms, if you are not prepared and a thief breaks into your house, you will lose possessions, money, maybe more. In regards to His return, if you are not ready, you could lose your salvation. It's a good analogy.
Carry on.![]()
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